Rample Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 With recent talk of selling prize assets and lowballing from Burnley over Jeff I thought I'd gauge opinion on what we think our players are worth. I'll take a stab to get the ball rolling:- Grant - £100k Christie - £3m Forsyth - £2.5m Bryson - £1.5m Buxton - £250k Keogh - £4m Hendrick - £8m Martin - £5m Bent - £500k Russell - £2m Baird - Nominal/Free Shackell - £3m Johnson - £5m Pearce - £750k Carson £1.5m Butterfield - £4m Hughes - £14m Camara - £1m Roos - £250k Blackman - £2.5m Ince - £5m Weimann- £1.5m Hanson - £4m Olsson - £1.5m Thorne £5m Mitchell - £750k Bennett - £250k Rawson - £500k Will tally everything up for average figures in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Only going to have a punt at the players with any significant value Jeff - 6.5m Ince - 3m Christie - 2.5m Keogh - 2m Martin - 7m Russell - 2m Thorne - 6m Hughes - 18m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Just now, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Only going to have a punt at the players with any significant value Jeff - 6.5m Ince - 3m Christie - 2.5m Keogh - 2m Martin - 7m Russell - 2m Thorne - 6m Hughes - 18m If Blackburn are chucking out offers of £3.5m for Hanley then how is Keogh only £2m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I'm not going to put prices next to players because I don't know and I don't think it's all that helpful for a lot of people who actually have no idea to try and come to a consensus I will say as a critique of what you've put forward is you need to look more closely at your valuations of one player compared to another. For example, I would expect Martin to be worth more than Johnson, and Butterfield is worth more than Hanson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, Srg said: If Blackburn are chucking out offers of £3.5m for Hanley then how is Keogh only £2m? Contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Srg said: If Blackburn are chucking out offers of £3.5m for Hanley then how is Keogh only £2m? Age, although he's not worth that either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Age, although he's not worth that either Not saying he is worth that, but seems to be a theme of everyone consistently valuing our players like it's still 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I've just valued the players who I think are worth a decent amount (£1m +). Christie - £2.5m - Young and getting better every season. I'd value him at £6-7m if he didn't have just 1 year left on his contract because he's 1 of the best RBs in England outside of the Prem. Forsyth - £2m - 1 of the better LBs in the league but had that bad injury. Bryson - £2m - 30 in a few months and hasn't got back to the same level as the 2013/14 season. Keogh - £3m - POTY and looks to have cemented his place in Ireland's first 11. Would have valued him higher had he not got just 1 year left on his contract. Hendrick - £8m - The Euro's performances boosted it quite a bit and he's still only 24. Martin - £10m - You valued Martin way, way too low @Rample. Championship strikers who've had 1 good season are fetching near £10m so Martin who's had 3 back to back should fetch that much at least as well. Russell - £6m - 10 goals and 8 assists last season. Matt Phillips went for £5.5m and Russell has outperformed him for a year or 2 now. Shackell - £2m - Still a quality CB but age isn't on his side. Johnson - £4m - Nearly 30, had a couple of injuries last season and didn't perform to his 2014/15 level. Carson £3m - Still a top Championship keeper and has plenty of years left in him. Butterfield - £4m - Had a decent season so doubt his value has changed much. Hughes - £20m - If Keane is worth £20m, we should really be asking for £30m+ for Hughes .... but I didn't want to be too biased. Blackman - £1m - We overpaid for him off the back of 6 months of form. Ince - £8m - Still fairly young and is 1 of the top scoring wingers outside of the Prem in the past 2 seasons (despite only playing half the season in 2014/15). Weimann- £2m - Didn't have the best debut season for us but still a decent player. Hanson - £2m - Looks to have a bright future but hasn't done enough to warrant a really large value. Olsson - £2m - Similar to Forsyth, 1 of the better LBs outside the Prem. Thorne £4m - Incredible player but injuries are keeping his value down, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantona Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 hour ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said: Only going to have a punt at the players with any significant value Jeff - 6.5m Ince - 3m Christie - 2.5m Keogh - 2m Martin - 7m Russell - 2m Thorne - 6m Hughes - 18m So you rate Shackell at less than £2 million just a year after he cost £3 million? I know he is nearly 33 but surely he has not depreciated that much? And your valuation of Ince is a lot less than he cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Take his down before Sean Dyche sees it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, Grantona said: So you rate Shackell at less than £2 million just a year after he cost £3 million? I know he is nearly 33 but surely he has not depreciated that much? Can't see shackells name on that list buddy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDerbySuperRams Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 19 minutes ago, Grantona said: So you rate Shackell at less than £2 million just a year after he cost £3 million? I know he is nearly 33 but surely he has not depreciated that much? And your valuation of Ince is a lot less than he cost. No one would pay over 2m for Shackell now. Be realistic. And a lot? Not overly. We paid 3.5m for him guaranteed. Rest are add ons that we are yet to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanYatesFarPost Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 26 minutes ago, Cam the Ram said: I've just valued the players who I think are worth a decent amount (£1m +). Christie - £2.5m - Young and getting better every season. I'd value him at £6-7m if he didn't have just 1 year left on his contract because he's 1 of the best RBs in England outside of the Prem. Forsyth - £2m - 1 of the better LBs in the league but had that bad injury. Bryson - £2m - 30 in a few months and hasn't got back to the same level as the 2013/14 season. Keogh - £3m - POTY and looks to have cemented his place in Ireland's first 11. Would have valued him higher had he not got just 1 year left on his contract. Hendrick - £8m - The Euro's performances boosted it quite a bit and he's still only 24. Martin - £10m - You valued Martin way, way too low @Rample. Championship strikers who've had 1 good season are fetching near £10m so Martin who's had 3 back to back should fetch that much at least as well. Russell - £6m - 10 goals and 8 assists last season. Matt Phillips went for £5.5m and Russell has outperformed him for a year or 2 now. Shackell - £2m - Still a quality CB but age isn't on his side. Johnson - £4m - Nearly 30, had a couple of injuries last season and didn't perform to his 2014/15 level. Carson £3m - Still a top Championship keeper and has plenty of years left in him. Butterfield - £4m - Had a decent season so doubt his value has changed much. Hughes - £20m - If Keane is worth £20m, we should really be asking for £30m+ for Hughes .... but I didn't want to be too biased. Blackman - £1m - We overpaid for him off the back of 6 months of form. Ince - £8m - Still fairly young and is 1 of the top scoring wingers outside of the Prem in the past 2 seasons (despite only playing half the season in 2014/15). Weimann- £2m - Didn't have the best debut season for us but still a decent player. Hanson - £2m - Looks to have a bright future but hasn't done enough to warrant a really large value. Olsson - £2m - Similar to Forsyth, 1 of the better LBs outside the Prem. Thorne £4m - Incredible player but injuries are keeping his value down, unfortunately. If Tom Ince is worth £8m , then we should cash in . I struggle to see him as a regular first teamer. His form is inconsistent , easily knocked off the ball and goes into his shell very easy and sulks if having a poor game. Needs to prove himself a lot more than he has to get anywhere near an £8m price tag. Would like him to prove me wrong but based on his time at Derby since he signed on a permanent deal he has underperformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, DeanYatesFarPost said: If Tom Ince is worth £8m , then we should cash in . I struggle to see him as a regular first teamer. His form is inconsistent , easily knocked off the ball and goes into his shell very easy and sulks if having a poor game. Needs to prove himself a lot more than he has to get anywhere near an £8m price tag. Would like him to prove me wrong but based on his time at Derby since he signed on a permanent deal he has underperformed. Inconsistent, yes ... but under performed? I'd disagree. He's contributed to 20+ goals this season and has improved his defensive contribution massively, can't ask for much more from a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I can see the fun is creating a number for each player, but each player is only really worth what a perspective buyer wants to pay for him, regardless what we bought him for originally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFc Dyycheee Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Hughes 25m Martin 10m Ince 10m Hendrick 10m Thorne 8m Keogh 4m Christie 4m If clubs wanted any of these players, I'd be disappointed if we accepted anything less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Just now, DcFc Dyycheee said: Hughes 25m Martin 10m Ince 10m Hendrick 10m Thorne 8m Keogh 4m Christie 4m If clubs wanted any of these players, I'd be disappointed if we accepted anything less. Think on younger players like Hughes the difference would be made up in sell on and other clauses that get us additional payments. Can't see anyone just paying £25m for him in a one off fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 33 minutes ago, DeanYatesFarPost said: If Tom Ince is worth £8m , then we should cash in . I struggle to see him as a regular first teamer. His form is inconsistent , easily knocked off the ball and goes into his shell very easy and sulks if having a poor game. Needs to prove himself a lot more than he has to get anywhere near an £8m price tag. Would like him to prove me wrong but based on his time at Derby since he signed on a permanent deal he has underperformed. Ince isn't inconsistent if you know how to use him right. He needs freedom, but bar the odd game behind the striker he didn't get this under Clement. Clement totally misused him. In his 1,490 minutes either behind the striker or post Clement he scored nine goals and created seven. Give him freedom and he'll tear teams apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, DcFc Dyycheee said: Hughes 25m Martin 10m Ince 10m Hendrick 10m Thorne 8m Keogh 4m Christie 4m If clubs wanted any of these players, I'd be disappointed if we accepted anything less. Crystal Meths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFc Dyycheee Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 10 minutes ago, toddy said: Crystal Meths? I'm on the same stuff Burnley and Leicester are on. Put Newcastle on that as well, just seen they want 35m for Sissoko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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