Mafiabob Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 As most are aware on here... I'm a compulsive gambler... Last bet 14th April 2007... I go to GA to keep myself away from gambling as its a massive problem for me... An illness with no cure. All i I want to mention nowadays is when there's football talk at work or within groups of pals etc... The first things anyone asks now after a game is... What did you have on? Or how's your acca etc... No talk about the game or the table and who played well or whose a donkey... Who got tactics right etc. Also other sports seemed to get affected whilst watching... Darts a particular one... Just think with being able to gamble on anything and everything... From Premiership scores to Chinese 3rd division Badminton I think we'll find a hell of a lot more problem gamblers like myself over the coming years.... Im not saying it's the bookies/casinos/ betting sites fault... The buck stops the person gambling. But to give you some experience of trying to stop. We put barriers in place to stop ourselves. We call it the triangle... Time,Oppurtunity and Money.... We try to break this. Bookies frustrate many problem gamblers when they self exclude themselves... I e have to take photo in etc... But have to reapply every year in some bookies. Also closing accounts on websites. Some will try and try keep it open. Once again I stress it's down to the individual. But why make it so hard for someone who clearly wants to stop.... We have a thing called Gamcare which is funded by government and the gambling industry but thy are as much use as a chocolate teapot if you want to stop... Ask you to just bet a fiver a day and say it'll be fine etc. Like music to the ears of a problem gambler. Also with the advent of payday loans etc... It's going to get worse for people who have a problem, and the problem is getting younger and younger all the time. I see lads and lasses of 18/19 in bits about gambling. Think we are at the tip of the iceberg with this addiction... Was estimated at 300000 problem gamblers in UK few years ago. Imagine it would x10 that in ten years. Once again I stress it's down to the individual to stop and seek help... But the industry is a growing monster and it don't help either at times. One day at a time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 The adverts in particular annoy me, showing a group of hipsters living life to the full, loving the 'Ladbrokes life'. Show the real Ladbrokes life, full of sad buggers spending their last few quid on a acca, or the fellas sticking £100's in a fobt. Gambling can be fun, but these adverts glamorising gambling are well out of order imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Just now, reveldevil said: The adverts in particular annoy me, showing a group of hipsters living life to the full, loving the 'Ladbrokes life'. Show the real Ladbrokes life, full of sad buggers spending their last few quid on a acca, or the fellas sticking £100's in a fobt. Gambling can be fun, but these adverts glamorising gambling are well out of order imo. Fixed Odds Betting... The crack cocaine of gambling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 12 minutes ago, reveldevil said: The adverts in particular annoy me, showing a group of hipsters living life to the full, loving the 'Ladbrokes life'. Show the real Ladbrokes life, full of sad buggers spending their last few quid on a acca, or the fellas sticking £100's in a fobt. Gambling can be fun, but these adverts glamorising gambling are well out of order imo. All the adverts are as far from the truth as they can be. No one should take any of those seriously. I wish that by smoking Marlboro cigarettes I could get my Indian princess but I doubt it works so not even going to try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 One of the biggest problems is online betting. I admit I've done my fair share in the past, but it's too easy to gamble online and because they're just digits on the screen there is a completely different feel to it - like you're more willing to do it as it's not visual. I mean, if I had a ten pound note in my hand - would I walk into a bookies and put it on an Italian second division scoring a second-half goal against another random team? Absolutely not. But because it's right there infront of me and just one click away, I don't see the money (visually) being passed over. It's weird, because I try to save money in general everyday situations and I'd even prefer to walk a couple of miles than hand over 50p (the equivalent) for a bus... Yet I was happy to do a few clicks and see if Chievo could secure an unlikely equaliser at Cesena for ten quid! Fortunately I don't do such things anymore, and fortunately I'm not tempted to either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 2 minutes ago, Cisse said: All the adverts are as far from the truth as they can be. No one should take any of those seriously. I wish that by smoking Marlboro cigarettes I could get my Indian princess but I doubt it works so not even going to try. If advertising didn't work, why would betting companies spend billions of pounds a year on it? It's not aimed at older wiser heads like you Cisse, it invariably shows a group of young lads having a whale of a time(equating betting to an heroic undertaking, where only glory awaits), or a extremely smart bloke so clued up its like taking candy off a baby! I like a bet, but I don't need reminding of the opportunity to do so several times a match in the ad breaks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 5 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: One of the biggest problems is online betting. I admit I've done my fair share in the past, but it's too easy to gamble online and because they're just digits on the screen there is a completely different feel to it - like you're more willing to do it as it's not visual. I mean, if I had a ten pound note in my hand - would I walk into a bookies and put it on an Italian second division scoring a second-half goal against another random team? Absolutely not. But because it's right there infront of me and just one click away, I don't see the money (visually) being passed over. It's weird, because I try to save money in general everyday situations and I'd even prefer to walk a couple of miles than hand over 50p (the equivalent) for a bus... Yet I was happy to do a few clicks and see if Chievo could secure an unlikely equaliser at Cesena for ten quid! Fortunately I don't do such things anymore, and fortunately I'm not tempted to either. What's it like in Mexico with regards the industry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 2 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: What's it like in Mexico with regards the industry? Where I live, walk-in places don't exist but it's not illegal like the States. While I rarely see advertisement either, it must still be quite common as many sites display options such as Mexican currency and Mexican time-zones. But all the football I watch, be it by streams, is loaded with advertisement and even sports pages on the internet almost always redirect me to bet365 or Bwin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I put a fiver on at the weekend and a fiver on the live roulette that's me done.....unless you count the lottery as well. I also went to the pub the other day, had a few pints, then ate reasonably healthy the next day. People can get addicted to anything, gambling isn't bad, neither is food and alcohol.....ok maybe that is a little. Some people just don't have that ability to stop, that's why you see people walk the streets in the morning drinking cider, why you see obese people sat at bus stops. I feel for anyone with any kind of addiction to a certain extent, most know what I went through without repeating it but you come to realise the brain is a powerful weapon and can be a real ******* arse to override at times. I overcame my issues, Mafia has overcome his and it's great, all good, but more does need to be done to help people and raise awareness for all mental issues, that's what this is, the inability to say no, enough is enough. As far as I'm aware there's no pill that you can give gamblers, I can't imagine what it must be like to have the urge to gamble. Like I say I gamble but I can easily miss a weekend if the donations on the forum have been quiet that week Seriously tho, well done Mr Mafia. As to what the answer is I'm not sure, they banned tombacco adverts from sports, maybe it's time to ban betting ads for a start and see what effect that as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 It is blatant advertising on all media and it astonishes me why there is not more regulation,so you watch soccer Saturday on sky sports and a good 90% of all adverts are betting related, so plenty of under 18's being sucked in, we could have a problem very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 My old business partner started struggling financially and turned to online poker and initially earnings were good, he picked up £100k august 2013 to mid October 2013, since then he became complacent and now he is in the red by 200k+, he is now in the process of losing his house and to top it off his missus has emigrated, the bloke is a different person and still believes he is going to hit the jackpot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 10 minutes ago, LesterRam said: My old business partner started struggling financially and turned to online poker and initially earnings were good, he picked up £100k august 2013 to mid October 2013, since then he became complacent and now he is in the red by 200k+, he is now in the process of losing his house and to top it off his missus has emigrated, the bloke is a different person and still believes he is going to hit the jackpot... Send him my way when he finally hits Rock Bottom... DM is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 29 minutes ago, Daveo said: I put a fiver on at the weekend and a fiver on the live roulette that's me done.....unless you count the lottery as well. I also went to the pub the other day, had a few pints, then ate reasonably healthy the next day. People can get addicted to anything, gambling isn't bad, neither is food and alcohol.....ok maybe that is a little. Some people just don't have that ability to stop, that's why you see people walk the streets in the morning drinking cider, why you see obese people sat at bus stops. I feel for anyone with any kind of addiction to a certain extent, most know what I went through without repeating it but you come to realise the brain is a powerful weapon and can be a real ******* arse to override at times. I overcame my issues, Mafia has overcome his and it's great, all good, but more does need to be done to help people and raise awareness for all mental issues, that's what this is, the inability to say no, enough is enough. As far as I'm aware there's no pill that you can give gamblers, I can't imagine what it must be like to have the urge to gamble. Like I say I gamble but I can easily miss a weekend if the donations on the forum have been quiet that week Seriously tho, well done Mr Mafia. As to what the answer is I'm not sure, they banned tombacco adverts from sports, maybe it's time to ban betting ads for a start and see what effect that as. Thank you... Seriously if there was a pill all of us affected would take it... I see getting to GA meetings as my medicine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Stay strong Mafia. Really good work staying strong for 8 years. I empathise. I have had similar addiction problems; mine was with prostitutes. Like you, I hate to think how much money I spunked away over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I have just asked him and he doesn't mind me posting, he ran up £365k debt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I am undertaking a mathematical gambling scheme this year, based only on best odds and offers only. I'm currently £4.5k up but am now finding betting companies are starting to ban me or reduce my bet size to £1. You never see a poor bookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deirdre_Barlow Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 5 minutes ago, sage said: I am undertaking a mathematical gambling scheme this year, based only on best odds and offers only. I'm currently £4.5k up but am now finding betting companies are starting to ban me or reduce my bet size to £1. You never see a poor bookie. My son, Peter, didn't do too well out of it. 2013 was a bad year for the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralRam Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I used to work in the industry programming games for FOBTs. There are games on there that have worse odds to win the lottery and the jackpot is only £500! Bookies need to be a members only establishment like the casino industry. That way an individual can self exclude himself easily and not be able to sign up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 2 hours ago, reveldevil said: The adverts in particular annoy me, showing a group of hipsters living life to the full, loving the 'Ladbrokes life'. Show the real Ladbrokes life, full of sad buggers spending their last few quid on a acca, or the fellas sticking £100's in a fobt. Gambling can be fun, but these adverts glamorising gambling are well out of order imo. I never thought about it until it was pointed out to me...the slogan "when the fun stops, stop" that you see in the window of the bookies - the word "fun" is bigger and shinier than the word "stop". Subtle but the bookies know what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Australia has been ****** by FOBT. Costing them billions as a country world Trouble down under: Australia's gambling problem Laura Secorun Palet, Ozy.com Mar 26, 2014 Facebook Twitter Google Plus More Daniel Munoz/Corbis In Australia there is one poker machine for every 108 people. Some call it the Lucky Country, but Australia is not so fortunate when it comes to wagers. Eighty percent of its citizens engage in some kind of gambling — the highest rate of any country in the world — and they lose more than anyone else, to the tune of some $21.5 billion a year. Gambling comes in various forms, including lotteries, bingo and sport betting, but the main drivers behind Australia's epidemic are the electronic gaming machines known as "pokies." There's one poker machine for every 108 people — only tiny Monaco can compete — and over half of all gambling revenue comes from these seemingly friendly but highly addictive machines. Pokies are an expected part of the décor in most Australian pubs and clubs and nowhere more so than in New South Wales, the indisputable king of the country's gambling circuit. The state holds the second-largest number of poker machines in the world, only after Nevada. Victoria and South Australia collect the highest annual gambling revenue per capita, about $350 and $300, respectively. The only notable exception is Western Australia, where gaming machines are illegal, leaving most gamblers to make due with the lottery. While gambling is typically considered the pastime of lonely middle-aged men, in Australia it's youths aged 18 to 24 who spend the most time and money on poker machines. And it's proving to be a risky social activity as an estimated 2 percent of Australians have a serious gambling addiction; of them, three-quarters primarily use pokies to gamble. Each Australian loses, on average, a staggering $1,144 a year in bets, but for addicted gamblers the figure jumps to $21,000 annually — a third of the average Australian salary. Problem gambling is a major source of public concern — with an estimated social cost of at least $4.7 billion a year — but there are significant political and economic obstacles on Australia's road to recovery. For starters, the government has so far failed to implement substantive measures to promote responsible gambling. This may be due to the fact that gambling provides 11 percent of state governments' revenue and contributes 1.2 percent of the GDP. Lobbying by the hospitality industry also poses a significant roadblock. In 2010, the government declared its intention to pass a landmark law that would introduce a mandatory "precommitment" on poker machines — requiring gamblers to set how much money they are willing to lose per session and locking them out once the limit is reached. But Clubs NSW and the Australian Hotels Association launched a $20 million marketing campaign against the reform and donated a combined $1.3 million to the two major parties. A year later, the law was repealed. Today, independent Sen. Nick Xenophon is leading a new push to set a maximum $1 bet on slot machines and cap hourly losses at $120 — many pokies currently allow gamblers to lose more than $1,500 in a single hour. Australia's gambling problem is likely to worsen over time with more people reaching legal gambling age every day and thanks to increasing popularity of online gambling services like sports betting are making the dangerous trend harder to monitor. The government vowed to provide $25.9 million over the next four years to support programs for addicted gamblers, but it will take a major show of political will to help Aussies heed the most important rule of gambling: The house always wins. but hey the government lost income on Tobacco, miraculously gambling (another tax cow) advertising increased substantially after the ban (both on TV and sports sponsorship). the government wint do anything until public pressure groups form. It took years for ASH to seriously effect policy - banning or limiting gambling will cost the country in tax revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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