Carl Sagan Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Can't help thinking any Championship player we're trying to buy has massive premiums added to their fee because everyone else in the league sees us as a rival and doesn't want to sell to us. Quoted prices appear double or even triple what they might otherwise be.Then the argument can be made that by their very status as Championship players there's a strong chance they're not much if any better than what we already have.If we're after quality don't we have to look a league above, even if that's possibly going to be a loan?If we want quality and value for money, don't we have to look abroad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Can't help thinking any Championship player we're trying to buy has massive premiums added to their fee because everyone else in the league sees us as a rival and doesn't want to sell to us. Quoted prices appear double or even triple what they might otherwise be.Then the argument can be made that by their very status as Championship players there's a strong chance they're not much if any better than what we already have.If we're after quality don't we have to look a league above, even if that's possibly going to be a loan?If we want quality and value for money, don't we have to look abroad?I think we've seen with Albentosa this can be a huge gamble. We need players who can come in and be effective straight away, needing no time to adapt. Good championship players, therefore, are exactly what we need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yes I think loans are just as important now and we should be able to attract any player who ultimately ends up on loan in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Problem is, if you want to go up, you need players that hit the ground running and know the score... and are therefore much less of a gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Not sure Chris Evans is the right man .Hope he is but I remain unconvinced at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Can't help thinking any Championship player we're trying to buy has massive premiums added to their fee because everyone else in the league sees us as a rival and doesn't want to sell to us. Quoted prices appear double or even triple what they might otherwise be.Then the argument can be made that by their very status as Championship players there's a strong chance they're not much if any better than what we already have.Don't forget though - signing players from rivals is double bubble, you add their strengths to your team, whilst simultaneously weakening the rivals team, so you could argue that the premiun is justified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 How do we know the club isn't shopping in a league above as well? we've already picked up Weimann and Bent from Villa, also linked with Bridcutt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted August 20, 2015 Author Share Posted August 20, 2015 All sensible comments. I'd like to think the current transfer chatter is a cunning diversion and we're about to shock the football world with the brilliance of our loans or buys (or loans with a view to buy) from elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuff264 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Always a gamble shopping abroad, trying to find players to settle into a new country quickly is hard. Shopping in the league above can get you good players who arent used to the intensity and physicality of the championship, sometimes you need to pay more for someone who knows the league well and has a short settling in period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymru Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I think we've seen with Albentosa this can be a huge gamble. We need players who can come in and be effective straight away, needing no time to adapt. Good championship players, therefore, are exactly what we need right now.But Albentosa was bought by the previous manager and the current one has worked resentley abroad so should have very good contacts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robglosta Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm still eagerly awaiting our first loanee, surely Clement is going to be a favoured coach to send young stars to for at least the top clubs he's been at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 But Albentosa was bought by the previous manager and the current one has worked resentley abroad so should have very good contacts Isn't it the same setup for SM as it is for PC? The recruitment department do all the work, identifies potential targets, the head coach gives the nod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymru Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Isn't it the same setup for SM as it is for PC? The recruitment department do all the work, identifies potential targets, the head coach gives the nod.i see i don't have any confidence now that you said this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 i see i don't have any confidence now that you said this I think the jury is still out on Chris Evans' team, but there have been some excellent acquisitions (Ince, Weimann), good loans (Bamford, Ibe) as well as a couple of duffers (Albentosa, Shotton?). Really, it all comes down to how well PC can coach the talent he's been given to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Not sure Chris Evans is the right man .Hope he is but I remain unconvinced at the moment.this bugs me, nobody knows Evan's brief. He could very well have been asked to find and line up players who are tried and tested at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 this bugs me, nobody knows Evan's brief. He could very well have been asked to find and line up players who are tried and tested at this level.In which case I think he could have done better than Warnock ,Shotton and Bent .Yes I know about the number of goals Bent scored last year but the overall package is wrong IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Slightly off topic, but the conversation has turned to the relationship between PC and the recruitment team. Says he speaks to Sam Rush and Chris Evans daily on our targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Slightly off topic, but the conversation has turned to the relationship between PC and the recruitment team: https://www.facebook.com/bbcderbysport/videos/1061585477188085/Any summary for those of us who are deaf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Any summary for those of us who are deaf?Just because I'm feeling generous: "Well it wasn't public from our side, it was public from the other side, and we'll continue to do our business in private. If other chairmen or players or agents want to speak about that, that's down to them. We want to keep our business done in private, we think that's the right way to do it, and it will remain that way until we make a signing.""I just concentrate on working with the players I have. Coaching them, getting them prepared for the game, analysing our performances. I speak to Sam Rush and Chris Evans daily about who our targets are, and how things are progressing. We work closely together on assignment of players, that's important. We go about it with a certain class, and that's very important to us." It's that second half I wanted to highlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm still eagerly awaiting our first loanee, surely Clement is going to be a favoured coach to send young stars to for at least the top clubs he's been at. You'd think he'd be able to pull a few strings, we'll see. Be nice if he could bring in a couple of european whizz kid midfielders to help us out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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