Uptherams Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I am sure I read it can be as little as a factor of 1.4. Either way I would see Safe Standing as a much more viable option than building upwards.Here's one useful link: http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-proposal/the-proposal-continued---the-sums http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-proposal/the-proposal---continued-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Got to mention Bradford City today too - 18k ST's. Impressive to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Here's one useful link: http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-proposal/the-proposal-continued---the-sums http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/the-proposal/the-proposal---continued-2Hmmm that's from a vested interest's point of view. It doesn't take into account extra access/exit points and any loss of capacity due to the dimensions being designed for seating. I would imagine the end figure is somewhere between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simsdcfc Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Wonder how many the massive world famous clubs like forest and leeds have sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Hmmm that's from a vested interest's point of view. It doesn't take into account extra access/exit points and any loss of capacity due to the dimensions being designed for seating. I would imagine the end figure is somewhere between the two. How is it though? They show how such systems work. You add a step to every row and on the back step a person stands between what would have been the two seats. There isn't any other way to do it other than to have a safe standing system in which you simply remain at the ratio of 1:1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 How is it though? They show how such systems work. You add a step to every row and on the back step a person stands between what would have been the two seats. There isn't any other way to do it other than to have a safe standing system in which you simply remain at the ratio of 1:1. If you have 4000 fans in an area, you need x amount of exit areas. If you have 4000x1.8 fans in the same area then you need x to the power of 1.8 exit areas. There the capacity isn't simply increased by 1.8. The end number is a little less.Also the depth of a stand was based on an exact number of seated rows. As the safe standing rows have greater depth (but a higher capacity) then is is probable that there will be a remainder of a row left over, resulting in a further small reduction.I think it is the way forward but will be complicated than it initially appears and not the panacea to our stadium's ills that some would have us believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 How is it though? They show how such systems work. You add a step to every row and on the back step a person stands between what would have been the two seats. There isn't any other way to do it other than to have a safe standing system in which you simply remain at the ratio of 1:1. I think it was on Sky Sports in Scotland (?) that they showed a ground with new safe standing and it was 1:1. It was like having a seat...without the seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 You don't want to go expanding the stadium for fans that are there to watch Man City. They don't bring atmosphere. They don't stick around when you stop playing Man City. They do bring a sense of self entitlement and some money though.But do you really care about the extra money? Especially if we're in the PL already. If things go wrong you end up with 20k fans in a 40k stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 If you have 4000 fans in an area, you need x amount of exit areas. If you have 4000x1.8 fans in the same area then you need x to the power of 1.8 exit areas. There the capacity isn't simply increased by 1.8. The end number is a little less.Also the depth of a stand was based on an exact number of seated rows. As the safe standing rows have greater depth (but a higher capacity) then is is probable that there will be a remainder of a row left over, resulting in a further small reduction.I think it is the way forward but will be complicated than it initially appears and not the panacea to our stadium's ills that some would have us believe.All of which would not significantly alter the ratio. There are already UK stadiums that have significantly more seats per exit than us. I am not saying it's as easy as ripping out the old seats and putting in these new ones. A new step would also be needed per row. Toilet facilities and the concourse. But It really could be that simple if health and safety are satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardifframs Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Ok thinking of buying a season ticket ,possibly for my son as well who supports Liverpool and is ten.Any suggestions to where would be the best seating ,obviously price is a factor as travelling to games won't be cheap but opinions appreciated Ok thinking of buying a season ticket ,possibly for my son as well who supports Liverpool and is ten.Any suggestions to where would be the best seating ,obviously price is a factor as travelling to games won't be cheap but opinions appreciated You should qualify for a free season ticket for your son,if you buy an adult oneJust a £30 charge for son to join junior Rams squadBest hurry mind,think there were only 10 tickets on this deal available,this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 You don't want to go expanding the stadium for fans that are there to watch Man City. They don't bring atmosphere. They don't stick around when you stop playing Man City. They do bring a sense of self entitlement and some money though.But do you really care about the extra money? Especially if we're in the PL already. If things go wrong you end up with 20k fans in a 40k stadium.Last season we had 29,250 average league gate. We finished 8th. We play some very small clubs. In the PL you play some very big clubs. You also play 4 less home matches. All clubs have bigger away followings. In the PL it is not unreasonable to assume to get 2,000 more away fans if you accommodate them than we get in this league. This season our average attendance will be in excess of 30,000. So we add those extra away fans that takes us up to 32,000. That would leave us with 8,000 extra Derby fans to reach 40,000. Anyone who does not think we could attract at least an extra 8,000 of our own fans every week in the PL as an established club is glass not half empty but almost empty in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I think it was on Sky Sports in Scotland (?) that they showed a ground with new safe standing and it was 1:1. It was like having a seat...without the seat.It's embarrassing the way we continue to pussy foot around the Liverpool fans who stand all game already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Confirmed on twitter via John Vicars. Great effort from the Derby faithful! COYR! John confirmed over 22,000 have been sold so far, and sales are still going strong! Real buzz about the club at the minute, love it. Now let's get iPro rocking (I mean each stand not away end though) COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Last season we had 29,250 average league gate. We finished 8th. We play some very small clubs. In the PL you play some very big clubs. You also play 4 less home matches. All clubs have bigger away followings. In the PL it is not unreasonable to assume to get 2,000 more away fans if you accommodate them than we get in this league. This season our average attendance will be in excess of 30,000. So we add those extra away fans that takes us up to 32,000. That would leave us with 8,000 extra Derby fans to reach 40,000. Anyone who does not think we could attract at least an extra 8,000 of our own fans every week in the PL as an established club is glass not half empty but almost empty in my view. we wouldn't fill it, leave it as it is, it is the perfect size for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 We would fill it easily tbh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Ok thinking of buying a season ticket ,possibly for my son as well who supports Liverpool and is ten.Any suggestions to where would be the best seating ,obviously price is a factor as travelling to games won't be cheap but opinions appreciated We're in the North/East corner, great for youngsters, worth a try Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 we wouldn't fill it, leave it as it is, it is the perfect size for us. In the prem it would be easy to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 we wouldn't fill it, leave it as it is, it is the perfect size for us. Yes we would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 We're in the North/East corner, great for youngsters, worth a tryFamily area is a good try for a kids anyway but not in south stand (imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 In the prem it would be easy to fill.I know. 4 less home games. Bigger away fan followings. Much bigger clubs on average. Some of the world's biggest clubs and best players. Yet somehow we wouldn't be able to attract 10,000+ more than we did last season per game in the Championship, where we finished 8th. Those who also genuinely think we shouldn't because we would only attract half fans can shut up. I am not a half fan. I don't think like that. I have friends who are big fans but barley go to any matches. If you want to turn a half fan into this mystical full fan then you give them the opportunity to become a full fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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