Mostyn6 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 During the previous regime, a few of us were very critical of the perceived stubbornness of the manager when it came down to selections and tactics. It seemed he was insistent on sticking with failing selections and formations and picking under-performing players.Based on some of the opinions I've read here over the last few days, seems some people are suggesting the current manager is similar. Has McClaren's perceived constant chopping and changing of certain players whilst ring-fencing others backfired on him? There's a suggestion that certain players confidence has been massively affected.One could suggest this could create a slight divide if certain players felt hard done by whilst seeing others being treated better. I knew twitter is full of idiots and I read one tweet saying that as Keogh wasn't taken out of the firing line weeks ago, McClaren has made it worse. Not sure if subscribe to that view. Is there an issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I did mention that McClaren has been a little stubborn (Until friday) with our formation, especially whilst we have had no real experienced recognised striker. But until Bent came back I was struggling to figure out what formation would even of best suited the players we had fit without a recognised striker, so maybe that was a problem.But I thought even when Martin and Bent were fit that a 4231 would have been a good viable option as an alternative formation. It's not massively different and is easy to interchange with 4123 or however you look at the numbering of our normal formation. Like I said its not a dig at McClaren, I trust him and both him and Nigel are very different managers. I felt the fact we were sticking with the exact same formation meant we never left teams guessing. 4231 worked really well Friday and I hope even when Martin and Thorne are fit we still try it out. GrantChristie, Keogh, Albentosa, Forsyth Thorne, BrysonRussell, Hughes, Ince Martin Hughes and Bryson could easily interchange and the three players (Ince, hughes, Rusell) like on friday can also interchange easily. I think it protects the back four better and allows the attacking players more freedom which I think is what McClaren was going for and it worked..... until Forsyth gave the ball away and grant just seemed to forget what happens when you don't open your hands to catch a ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsy1884 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I did mention that McClaren has been a little stubborn (Until friday) with our formation, especially whilst we have had no real experienced recognised striker. But until Bent came back I was struggling to figure out what formation would even of best suited the players we had fit without a recognised striker, so maybe that was a problem.But I thought even when Martin and Bent were fit that a 4231 would have been a good viable option as an alternative formation. It's not massively different and is easy to interchange with 4123 or however you look at the numbering of our normal formation. Like I said its not a dig at McClaren, I trust him and both him and Nigel are very different managers. I felt the fact we were sticking with the exact same formation meant we never left teams guessing. 4231 worked really well Friday and I hope even when Martin and Thorne are fit we still try it out. GrantChristie, Keogh, Albentosa, Forsyth Thorne, BrysonRussell, Hughes, Ince Martin Hughes and Bryson could easily interchange and the three players (Ince, hughes, Rusell) like on friday can also interchange easily. I think it protects the back four better and allows the attacking players more freedom which I think is what McClaren was going for and it worked..... until Forsyth gave the ball away and grant just seemed to forget what happens when you don't open your hands to catch a ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knabby crackers Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 There's no 'maybe' about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Agree with the formation but I would have Hughes alongside Thorne. Then Ince in behind Martin, dont think Lingard warrants being dropped either. On the stubborness I dont think he is 4-3-3 has worked so well in the past its hard to just go about and change it 4231 is the only other option for all our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robglosta Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 How on earth is he stubborn? Who has spoken to him about changing things up, to which he has refused? No one, he is the manager and he lives and dies by his decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I think he is stubborn yes all managers are . They have their beliefs right or wrong. Lets hope he gets it right I don't agree with all his decisions but he's the manager and that's footballManagers come and go but Derby County and its fans are always around here. The fans live and breath the club .The club is the fans and the fans are the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 "When someone disagrees with me, I let them argue for twenty minutes and then they realise I'm right!"Worked for Nigel's dad.Works for any brilliant, stubborn manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Nigel was the first manager to come under the mass internet spotlight. Prior to him it was quite smallish numbers on forums and Twitter.Every manager from Nigel onwards will have every decision, tactic,signing, substitution, penalty takers, throw in takers, debated and picked apart - unless of course they win every game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Maybe the failing players are world beaters in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 What you call stubborn, I call strength in conviction. I'd hate to have a manager who doesn't know his best team and doesn't know the best formation for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Nigel was the first manager to come under the mass internet spotlight. Prior to him it was quite smallish numbers on forums and Twitter.Every manager from Nigel onwards will have every decision, tactic,signing, substitution, penalty takers, throw in takers, debated and picked apart - unless of course they win every game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 If I was certain derby players I would probably be pretty cheesed off tbh. I think Shotton must wonder what is happening. And Warnock for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 If I was certain derby players I would probably be pretty cheesed off tbh. I think Shotton must wonder what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Exactly. Club captain to bench warmer. Seems very odd especially given the defensive errors in the last 2 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Exactly. Club captain to bench warmer. Seems very odd especially given the defensive errors in the last 2 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 HExactly. Club captain to bench warmer. Seems very odd especially given the defensive errors in the last 2 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 If I was certain derby players I would probably be pretty cheesed off tbh. I think Shotton must wonder what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I think Shotton has done well when he's played to be quite honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I can answer that question for Shots. Every time Christie gets dropped and Shotton gets his chance at RB, he totally blows it. 20 games this season, 18 of those were starts, is that not good enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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