Lord_Ram Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 like shake said, its they will be able to unilaterally terminate their contract when they are three years into it so he can only terminate it 3 years into the one he just signed in january :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Doesn't that mean after 3 years of the current contract though. Surely any extension signed is actually a new contract all together. Nope 3 years of being contracted to a club, so it could be 3 x 1 year contracts or 2 with a 1 year option that is then exercised. It is designed to stop players rotting in the reserves, and stop clubs from preventing the sale of players. Currently the European Union is investigating this as it breaks European Employment Law and the freedom of movement act, and its a stop gap until FIFA and EU can agree on a solution. Also they can break it inside the protected period, the other club gets more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Think you're reading it wrong in my opinion obviously, looks to me like a player that is 3 years into his contract not 3 years at the club otherwise it would have said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Article 17 allows a player to buy himself out of his contract if he is at least three years into the deal. If the unhappy player is aged 28 or more he can trigger the regulation just two years into his contract. Rooney, who celebrates his 28th birthday on October 24, signed a five-and-a-half-year deal in October 2010 - which means he will fit the criteria. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/wayne-rooney-use-transfer-loophole-2216604#ixzz34RzCwqxg (When Chelsea were after him last year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Doesn't matter GT can walk if he wants to, just will cost a bit. Or maybe not a lot as he might not be on that much. Either way a club cannot stop a player leaving, there are just different ways that it can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaufort Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So what you want Derby to do is take a young player on loan, on the express understanding that it was to get him match fit and help our cause, then encourage him to join us on a permanent deal and break his contract? That will do us the world of good in future loan negotiations, it will really enhance our reputation in the game - not. If WBA refuse Derby's offer(s) we should do the gentlemanly thing and respect their ownership of the player. Thats not slavery, it doesn't breach his human rights, it merely respects a legal contract and the investment that West Brom have put into him since his academy days. It might be old fashioned but Derby ought to keep their dignity and walk away if West Brom won't sanction a move. We have invested a lot of money in Hendrick, if another club pulled the same stunt in relation to him, and we were left with minimum compensation, we would be seething. When Thorne signed his new contract in January he did it with the benefit of the best possible advice, knowing that his club expected him to get fit and return ready to fight for his place. It does him no credit that he then decided to lay down conditions on his return to West Brom and indicate that if they are not met he fancies a move to Derby. That's disloyal to his club and to the West Brom supporters. In addition it shows a fickle side to his character, he knew exactly what was expected of him when he signed that contract and, if his club don't agree to a transfer to Derby, he should force his way into contention by hard word and commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Daly Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Are you actually a West Brom fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 Ram Raider Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So what you want Derby to do is take a young player on loan, on the express understanding that it was to get him match fit and help our cause, then encourage him to join us on a permanent deal and break his contract? That will do us the world of good in future loan negotiations, it will really enhance our reputation in the game - not. If WBA refuse Derby's offer(s) we should do the gentlemanly thing and respect their ownership of the player. Thats not slavery, it doesn't breach his human rights, it merely respects a legal contract and the investment that West Brom have put into him since his academy days. It might be old fashioned but Derby ought to keep their dignity and walk away if West Brom won't sanction a move. We have invested a lot of money in Hendrick, if another club pulled the same stunt in relation to him, and we were left with minimum compensation, we would be seething. When Thorne signed his new contract in January he did it with the benefit of the best possible advice, knowing that his club expected him to get fit and return ready to fight for his place. It does him no credit that he then decided to lay down conditions on his return to West Brom and indicate that if they are not met he fancies a move to Derby. That's disloyal to his club and to the West Brom supporters. In addition it shows a fickle side to his character, he knew exactly what was expected of him when he signed that contract and, if his club don't agree to a transfer to Derby, he should force his way into contention by hard word and commitment. Only difference being that Hendrick would never be loaned out as he's an established first teamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigosLeftPeg Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 We should submit a more realistic second bid first, then see how WBA take it and potentially move on. Hopefully when the right money is shown they'll say "'av' him" but other wise we move on and find another player:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDCAR Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Just curious, but I wonder how many Baggies came on here to tell us how wonderful Thorne was when we loaned him? Or how shocked they were that it took a while before he started, that we were wasting such a prodigious talent? Hmmm.... Bravo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So what you want Derby to do is take a young player on loan, on the express understanding that it was to get him match fit and help our cause, then encourage him to join us on a permanent deal and break his contract? That will do us the world of good in future loan negotiations, it will really enhance our reputation in the game - not. If WBA refuse Derby's offer(s) we should do the gentlemanly thing and respect their ownership of the player. Thats not slavery, it doesn't breach his human rights, it merely respects a legal contract and the investment that West Brom have put into him since his academy days. It might be old fashioned but Derby ought to keep their dignity and walk away if West Brom won't sanction a move. We have invested a lot of money in Hendrick, if another club pulled the same stunt in relation to him, and we were left with minimum compensation, we would be seething. When Thorne signed his new contract in January he did it with the benefit of the best possible advice, knowing that his club expected him to get fit and return ready to fight for his place. It does him no credit that he then decided to lay down conditions on his return to West Brom and indicate that if they are not met he fancies a move to Derby. That's disloyal to his club and to the West Brom supporters. In addition it shows a fickle side to his character, he knew exactly what was expected of him when he signed that contract and, if his club don't agree to a transfer to Derby, he should force his way into contention by hard word and commitment. Yes, but if someone goes out on loan from one of the top clubs, like Bamford or Wisdom, they're likely to be happy to go back, with aspirations to be on that world stage. But if someone is loaned out from a lower end club, you've got to expect that once they've had a taste of first team football, success and feeling valued, they are going to want more if that, one way or another. Why go back and fight for a place for three years in a relegation fodder club with no guarantees, when you have the option of staying somewhere where you're the first name on the team sheet. If we loaned one of our fringe players out, and they decided they enjoyed the first team experience and want more of it, then I wouldn't begrudge them. If Bennett wanted to stay at chesterfield, for example, I wouldn't begrudge him, if Chesterfield paid a fair price. And that's not even the same situation, because Bennett has been given more first team opportunities than Thorne has already. So he's happy to come back, knowing he will have his chances. The onus is on WBA to make themselves a club where people want to be at. As long as they're run badly, they'll always run the risk of players they loan out realising there are better options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 So what you want Derby to do is take a young player on loan, on the express understanding that it was to get him match fit and help our cause, then encourage him to join us on a permanent deal and break his contract? That will do us the world of good in future loan negotiations, it will really enhance our reputation in the game - not. If WBA refuse Derby's offer(s) we should do the gentlemanly thing and respect their ownership of the player. Thats not slavery, it doesn't breach his human rights, it merely respects a legal contract and the investment that West Brom have put into him since his academy days. It might be old fashioned but Derby ought to keep their dignity and walk away if West Brom won't sanction a move. We have invested a lot of money in Hendrick, if another club pulled the same stunt in relation to him, and we were left with minimum compensation, we would be seething. When Thorne signed his new contract in January he did it with the benefit of the best possible advice, knowing that his club expected him to get fit and return ready to fight for his place. It does him no credit that he then decided to lay down conditions on his return to West Brom and indicate that if they are not met he fancies a move to Derby. That's disloyal to his club and to the West Brom supporters. In addition it shows a fickle side to his character, he knew exactly what was expected of him when he signed that contract and, if his club don't agree to a transfer to Derby, he should force his way into contention by hard word and commitment. I don't think he was loaned to get him match fit, I think GT wanted to be playing first team football and not playing in the reserves, still took him a while to break into our side. They should respect the fact the GT wants to leave. Cuts both ways. If it comes into effect on1st July then it ain't valid yet, nobody knows. You are making assumptions, unless you know what is happening behind closed doors. You are a baggies fan aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Has he signed yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 SSN just reporting he has asked for a transfer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwram1973 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Yep just said on ssn he's asked for a transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Ghost Rider, this is Strike. We have unknown Baggies inbound Mustang. Your vector zero-nine-zero for bogey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Ghost Rider, this is Strike. We have unknown Baggies inbound Mustang. Your vector zero-nine-zero for bogey. Wrong thread for golf puns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I'm far too intelligent to lower myself to puns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archram Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I'm far too intelligent to lower myself to puns.Would sound more convincing with an extra o ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Would sound more convincing with an extra o !Where abouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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