DerbySmog

"would you be interested in investing in the club?" 

"I'm not that stupid" ???

Great to hear him slating Morris. 

The fact the money from the stadium sale hasn't cleared the debts maybe shows haw bad the finances are. 

15 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Tax losses can only be surrendered to part of a tax group. 

I'm pretty sure they would have received sound advice on this.

Without looking back, I think the losses were surrendered to another company under common control.

As I said, perfectly normal and legal.

However, to be counted as income for FFP...joke.

Interestingly, if DCFC were allowed to do this I imagine it would have been in excess of £100m.

Have the EFL not given Boro a competitive advantage over all other teams?

Same with our ground sale, if we have been allowed to do it then every team should be given the same opportunity or given a credit against their FFP figures.

EFL are not fit to run a bath.

Completly agree about the EFL. 

17 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

But it’s not part of a group as far as I know. Seperate entity couldn’t be sure though ? 

Gibson O'Neil holdings own Middlesbrough football club alongside other business's. It's commen practice used by many clubs and all withing rules and laws. 

14 hours ago, Rosythram said:

Ok

if Gibson and the efl had done the policing of the situation and implemented the punishment in a timely manner would we be where we are today?
 

The fact is they protracted the whole process to suit hidden agendas.

MM dragged it out but not submitting finances. If they had been submitted, they would have been reviewed and actioned. But hey, blame everyone but the club and owners and Bury your head in the sand. 

1 hour ago, S8TY said:

is that what Gibson's doing then?? Trying to safeguard Derby County??? trying to make sure we're ok !! pmsl......There's plenty of clubs bending the rules slightly we aren't the only ones...I would not have your hero Gibson anywhere near DCFC we've had enough shysters running the club.....he's been very vocal about us......don't think he's the knight in shining armour you portray him to be Ben

Bending the rules slightly ????

1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said:

No, it was the outstanding transfer instalments that were cleared.

Cheers. Well that's still a massive bill to be paid which administrators have to find money for. 

6 hours ago, davenportram said:

If he owns it personally why would he lose the ground? Didn’t he buy it? He’ll just lease it to us and milk the club again

Because all Companies associated with the club and MM have entered administration, including the company that owns the ground. 

8 hours ago, S8TY said:

Gibson is a **** and no i wouldnt be .....should mind his own ******* business 

Yeah by trying to make sure owners don't run the clubs into the ground and the EFL act to protect clubs. What a **** as you put it. Ironically Derby could do with a chairman like him now. Compare Derby's last 35 years to Boro's (that's how long he has been there) 

9 hours ago, Sparkle said:

Whilst all of this has had MM in charge and oversight of the finances so it sits with him, I acknowledge that Covid has tipped us into Administration the role of the EFL has to be noted as simply disgraceful, simply unhelpful and a dereliction of whatever their duty was supposed to be.

and on a personal note I will never be handing any money over to Middlesbrough football club again to watch my Rams and do hope that not a single Rams fan ever does go to that clubs grounds and spend money - 

Derby very rarely take a decent following to the Riverside so I don't think it will effect them too much. 

Are people for real. It's not down to Gibson, it's not down to the EFL..... Its down to Morris. Selling the ground to himself was the clear and obvious sign of how bad things were. Gibson also lodged complaints against villa and sheff wed so he has no vendetta against Derby. Morris tried to make it personal by offering to show the books to Gibson..... The books he wouldn't submit to the EFL. Morris has Destroyed Derby county and tarnished it's reputation and still people have fallen for his lies and blame others. 

It was my understanding that Morris cleared the outstanding Payment to HRMC hence it was removed from the charge sheet. Is this not the case? 

7 hours ago, G-Ram said:

Probably get 10p for every £1 left we owe or something daft 

Not true. All football related debts still have to be paid in full. This includes outstanding transfer fees, fines (to EFL or HMRC if outstanding) ,player and coaching staff wages. Failure to be able to do this mean the club is insolvent and luquidation would follow. 

7 hours ago, Mckram said:

I think we can still sign players, it would just be under strict terms. Remember at least a season of the embargo would be league 1…so if we did manage to keep the team we have now then you’d expect them to do ok in league 1 with a few more freebies next season. 

Any players with value and interest would be potentially have to be sold in Jan if still under control of the administrator. 

10 minutes ago, uttoxram75 said:

Looks like Gibson co-ercing the EFL to appeal the stadium sale, subsequently passed as legal, has turned out to be the main driver keeping this hanging over us for so long. If the decision had been accepted as it should, then the other stuff could well have been sorted a lot earlier.

Gibson's got his way, The EFL have been proven to be a weak and cowardly organisation.

Yes, the buck stops with Morris, but if the EFL had conducted themselves impartially and not reactive to Gibsons mardarsery, it would have been resolved months ago.

Derby are the ones that have dragged it out by not submitting the finances...... Now everybody knows why. 

9 minutes ago, DCFC1388 said:

Really irritates me that Gibson throwing his toys out his pram has ultimately cost us a takeover and resulted in hard working people behind the scenes losing their jobs.

Then football in general, the big 6 nearly destroyed english football bit have got away with it, we try to get promotion and overspend & get punished by a governing body who should be there to help & support their members not seek & destroy them.

Then finally, teams who got lucky & got promoted whilst breaching P&S/FFP get away with it as do the likes of the deals between Watford/Udinese & Forest/Olympiakos which clearly are done to get around the rules

No. The only person responsible is Mel Morris. If you can't see that then your part of the blinded problem. You sound like MM in trying to blame others for his dodgy ownership. 

Statement out now. Its all covid and the EFLs fault apperently. Still took. Season ticket money despite saying it was clear a week ago this was happening. 

Even in administration, all. Football related debts sti have to be paid. If there can't then the club is considered insolvable and luquidation could follow

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