Chesterfield_Ram

1 hour ago, Anag Ram said:

Interesting you mention Langstaff. Watching his many goals on YouTube and elsewhere, there aren’t that many that would be offered as chances in the Championship.

It will be interesting to see if he can do it at a higher level.

 

I seem to remember in January when he was being linked with a move to Swansea, that an ‘unnamed’ scout from a championship club claimed that he is not up to standard for that level. That’s despite scoring 40 odd goals in the national league promotion season and 20 odd in league 2 last year.

To back up my point about not rushing Brown, I've done a bit of research into players stepping up from the National League into the EFL.

To start on a rather negative point, there are a number of forwards to step up into L1 who never meet the standards of the level in the last couple of seasons.

Kabonga Tshimanga - 24 goals in 27 games followed by 7 goals in 17 games before stepping up into L1. 22 games without scoring in L1 for Peterborough and Fleetwood.

Matt Lowe - 11 in 41 before stepping up. 0 in 20 games (L1) and 0 in 23 games (L2) since.

Josh Walker - 10 in 32 followed by 10 in 24 before stepping up. 2 in 16 (L1) and 1 in 16 (L2) since.

There have been some players in this period who have made the step up.

Ephron Mason-Clark left Barnet for Peterborough after scoring 6 in 39 in the NL. He followed on from this by scoring 9 in 39 before taking an extra step developmentally this season scoring 14 and setting up countless other goals.

Rúben Rodrigues scored 18 in 43 for Notts County before joining Oxford this year scoring 9 in 44. 

Joe Taylor also made the step up, but took e seasons before reaching double figures in L1 this year for Lincoln.

Other than these I can find many to make the step up to L1 directly, which should give an indication (to fans wanting Brown in the Championship next year) as to how big a step up it is and the need to move up through the leagues gradually.

Looking at the numbers it appears a L2 loan would be most beneficial for Dajaune next season. Potentially a loan to Notts County if they end up selling Langstaff.

On 12/05/2024 at 21:13, LeedsCityRam said:

Brown is clearly a goalscorer, quick, powerful & has a decent first touch. He has adapted incredibly well to men's football (albeit in the 5th tier) & given his age & game changing potential, its not beyond the realms that a Prem club may feel his potential is that of a starter in 3/4 years given the right exposure to better players & better coaching. 

How many Premier League clubs sign a player after having a good season in Non League?

In my opinion we should be looking at Brown as one for the future. The 'future' may come as soon as the second half of this season or it may come in a year or twos time. What we can all agree on by reading the comments on him, is that he will play a part in the clubs first team at some point or other.

Having watched quite a bit of National league football this year, as my home town team have been playing in it, we need to temper our expectations of his current ability. I'm not denying that he has had a fantastic half season at Gateshead. But the standard of defending at NL level is terrible. Defenders are out of position far more than they were in League 1 last year. Defenders lose their players far more than they did in League 1. Defenders are typically slower and don't have the defending IQ to counteract it.

6 hours ago, ollycutts1982 said:

Chesterfield have signed Paddy Madden n a free from Stockport so no chance we would loan him there to be behind him and Grigg. 

My thoughts exactly, but they're still expecting Brown to be signed as well.

The only problem is that we won't loan him to them. I remember Warne and Hale mentioning a team 'at the top of the national league' wanting him in January and being less than impressive with the clubs reasons for wanting him.

1 hour ago, Ramarena said:

This.

Ideal scenario is probably four as you say.

Sign a quality striker and add another via, maybe a Prem loan.

That’s two additions in the area we need to improve most, along with central midfield. 

After that I’d look at Gayle to see if he still has the legs for another season, with Brown as the other option.

Obviously PW would need to take a good look at Brown and Gayle to see if they are up to it. But in Browns case, if he struggles in the first half of the season, we could always loan him out to a league one club and get a loan in to cover.

I sort of agree with this, but I'd do it the other way round. I'd look to loan him out to a L1 or L2 team to make sure the jump up in standard isn't too much too quick for him.

National League defending really isn't up to standard. Hence Will Grigg scoring 25 goals this season, more than he scored in his past 5 seasons combined in L1. Diesuruvwe scoring 24 despite not doing anything at Salford in L2. Kabamba scoring 5 goals in 2 seasons in L2, then 25 in 40 games this season.

For his long term development I think it would be better to gradually work his way up the leagues. This way we could end up thinking in several seasons time about how good he is, rather than how good he could have been.

I don't want him to end up becoming another Mason Bennett.

On 09/05/2024 at 20:48, DiggerB said:

I’ve always thought Loach may fulfil a similar role to Carson in the dressing room, albeit there is no requirement for “homegrown” players in the EFL,  think? Just not as many medals or on 30k/week!

I think Loach plays quite an important, yet under appreciated role at the club. He's at the stage of his career where he's thinking about life after retirement and is working his way through the coaching badges. This combined with his experience must be really helpful to the young keepers at the club.

The U23 teams are selected by invitation as opposed to teams choosing to enter aren't they? 

I we have the opportunity to enter them I'd like to see it happen. We entered it in the 2016/17 season and featured the like of Jayden Bogle, Emil Riis and Luke Thomas. It also gave opportunities to first team players in need of game time. I think the likes of Weimann, Russell and Blackman also played in it that season.

Regarding Brown, I do think it would be best for his development if he gets loaned out to a L2 team or maybe even a L1 team like Mansfield. It's a huge step up in quality from what he's been playing at with Gateshead, where defending at times can be described as pathetic.

14 hours ago, Stripperg-ram said:

Which Derby team, under which manager with which players do you think was the most dirty Derby team of all time?

Probably one of the teams that played at the Baseball Ground. White shirts mixed with that pitch is going to leave the kits looking rather dirty.

I rate Johansson and I think he'd be a better keeper than what we already have. However I read that the relegation release clause in his contract is for £900,000, which I can see other championship teams paying but not us. 

13 hours ago, Carl Sagan said:

Bizarre comment. Clearly the teams he's with think he can't play that level anymore and has only been used sparingly by Anderlecht this season. There is much more money to be had in the English leagues than across the continent. Get rewarded well, play in front of full houses and far more people than at Anderlecht every week. With the chance to build a reputation in England, the home of football, and the gateway to the Premier League. And reputedly a man of great character - just the sort of leader we should be looking for at the next level.

Supposedly, he's on just over £60,000 a week at the moment. I can't see him taking a huge pay cut to join us. With the way modern football's going I wouldn't be surprised to see him at a lower level Premier League team like Leicester, Crystal Palace or Everton.

3 minutes ago, YouRams said:

Only 30 plenty of championship games under his belt we could do alot worse.

It's more the 10 goals in the last 5 years that puts me off. On a low wage he could be a decent signing

10 hours ago, MadAmster said:

Adams (hopefully) and Tommo? 

It will be interesting to see what formation PW goes for in the SBC. 352? that would likely see NML in the "2" alongside Collo or Collo's replacement. Did NML's downturn in form coincide with playing up top rather than out wide? If so, will he improve up top in the SBC?

It would likely see Wilson/Ward as RWBs and Sibs/Elder at LWB. Would we need NML/CBT playing a winger role?

So many questions to be answered.

Before any transfer business has been done, id imagine he might do a 343 with CBT, Collins and NML the front 3.

On 03/05/2024 at 19:11, Nuwtfly said:

I would agree with this. Not sure it’s worth it for the price it currently sits at. 

Also can’t say I would be particularly glad to see the return of Conway, either. Still haven’t forgiven him for that ridiculous Rooney article!

I typically wait for one of their deals then cancel it before it goes up.

16 minutes ago, YouRams said:

Former Wolves and Leeds winger Costa is a free agent could be worth a look

I'd take prime Costa, but I'm not sure how much you'd get out of him now.

2 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

Thomas Delaney (Danish international midfielder) only has a year on his Sevilla contract left and they don't want him. He spent last season on loan at Anderlecht, with an option to buy for 3 million Euros, but reportedly the Spaniards are now ready to take 1.5 million: https://www.anderlecht-online.be/en/article/232104

He's 32 years old but could be the central midfield leader we need to make a difference. He's got American citizenship through his dad so I imagine would be comfortable in an English-speaking environment. 

It's laughable that Cardiff want half a million pounds for Ebou, but for just over twice as much we could maybe buy someone like this.

I'd imagine his wages would be difficult to accommodate.

1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said:

Having the biggest budget in the league is no means a guarantee of success. Look at ourselves at Championship level under Mel, or Man Utd in the PL.

It does help though.

Anything other than promotion this season would have been a disappointment and arguably an underachievement.

Especially given that there was no Ipswich, Sunderland or Sheff Wed this time around.

The true test of Warne’s coaching ability will come next season.

 

I think the problem we have is that one of our biggest needs is in the centre forward department, which is probably one of the hardest positions to get good deals in.

Chesterfield fans reckon he's going to join them on loan for next season. I'm not so sure as I recall Warne talking about a team 'at the top of the national league' who weren't convincing at all when they tried to take him on loan last year. 

Then again it has been very amusing reading who they think their club are signing this summer with Sam Morsy (just gone up with Ipswich), Liam Cooper (Leeds captain) and Nathan Byrne the 'most' likely according to them.

On 28/04/2024 at 21:28, nogbad van 50 said:

Looks a bit of a unit!

 

 

You can't take too much from this type of video. I remember spending my summer watching Kamil Jozwiak clips thinking he'd take us to the prem. 

Also any chance that we could persuade some of the youngsters we let go to come back? Even if it’s on loan. Kellyman seems to be an exciting prospect and kaide Gordon has had glimpses. We would need a deal where we don’t have to pay if Gordon gets injured as he appears to be a bit injury prone at this point of his career.

Would we take Lee Buchanan back if Birmingham go down? He is above league 1 remember. 

3 hours ago, abertawe_ram said:

I think you could well be right. When he came on at Pride Park this season they were chucking long balls at him and he's certainly a big presence for a young guy but I didn't see much from him on the deck

Looking at his stats he doesn’t appear to have much of an aerial presence either. He’s only won 43% of aerial duals, even Hourihane and Smith have a better record in the air.

I think we need to be proactive with our recruitment. There are positions we can improve by bringing new faces in, but weaken by moving on from who we have to quickly and not replacing adequately.

7 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Matt Ryan and Marek Rodak are probably the two best keepers avaialbe who would be realistic for Championship clubs, but I would expect both to want more than we'll be willing to pay, especially Rodak. Rodak spent 2 years on loan at Rotherham, so Warne could potentially sway him to come here.
A more realistic choice would be Walton, who had 23 clean sheets for Ipswich in 22/23 and 14 the year before. He also had 21 clean sheets in 80 Championship games for Wigan and Blackburn (plus 19 in 31 L1 games for Wigan)
I've always been impressed by Joel Pereira (Reading) on the rare occasions I've seen him. He only broke into Reading's side for the final 9 games of the season.

I like the first 3 names you mentioned, but I’m not overly convinced on how possible it would be.

Matt Ryan and Marek Rodak would probably be wanting a wage that is on the higher percentile for gks in the championship, whereas with Walton I’d understand if he wanted to be a number 2 gk in the premier league if Ipswich don’t mess up tomorrow. Otherwise I’d be happy with any of them if we can get them for a sensible wage.

13 minutes ago, abertawe_ram said:

What little I've seen this year he looks a tidy player with good set pieces but very lightweight. My Reading supporting mate suggested he wouldn't be sad to see him go, that was back when we were linked. I know he doesn't want to see their striker Kelvin (very long surname and I can't look it up right now) leave because he thinks he has big potential.

They're still hopeful of a sale to get a consortium in and that lunatic Yong out, but we know first-hand how long that stuff can take!

I’m not quite sure about Kelvin E. Doesn’t appear to be very clinical or anything really. On paper he looks a bit like one of those players that fans put back because he’s one of their own, but no one else is overly interested.

1 hour ago, Eoghan1884 said:

Micah Hamilton, Man City Winger, would be very good for us in transition but probably unrealistic 

 

I don’t think it would be that unrealistic. From what’s I’ve seen he’s never had a sustained period of first team football. Man City may see it as an opportunity for him to get regular men’s football at a fairly good level. I doubt premier league teams will want to sign him and teams battling for promotion from the championship will likely be looking at players on their 2nd or 3rd loan.