Hanny

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

Whoever buys the club WILL have paid too much for it. That’s the rough state of play. 
 
The need to hit certain thresholds from Creditors/MSD/EFL(golden share)/Q/etc- simply means it is a s*** deal for anyone. 
 
However! Someone will see the potential commercial and marketing opportunities of being able to say:I own Derby County,  and all the marketing trappings that comes with. 
 
It has been such a long, frustrating process. But someone will see the value in the future to pay over price now. 
 
coyr

Whoever buys the club WILL have paid too much for it. That’s the rough state of play. 
 
The need to hit certain thresholds from Creditors/MSD/EFL(golden share)/Q/etc- simply means it is a s*** deal for anyone. 
 
However! Someone will see the potential commercial and marketing opportunities of being able to say:I own Derby County,  and all the marketing trappings that comes with. 
 
It has been such a long, frustrating process. But someone will see the value in the future to pay over price now. 
 
coyr

Whoever buys the club WILL have paid too much for it. That’s the rough state of play. 
 
The need to hit certain thresholds from Creditors/MSD/EFL(golden share)/Q/etc- simply means it is a s*** deal for anyone. 
 
However! Someone will see the potential commercial and marketing opportunities of being able to say:I own Derby County,  and all the marketing trappings that comes with. 
 
It has been such a long, frustrating process. But someone will see the value in the future to pay over price now. 
 
coyr

Morgan described as businessman and philanthropist. Let’s hope he has his  philanthropy hat on!

I will say. I am honestly surprised CK has apparently pulled his bid. I imagine there could be some legal ramifications that could be taken against him from the creditors/EFL/Q/etc. (depending on how the contracts were drawn up).
Hoping that one of these other rumored bidders are quick and can get something settled. 
coyr

I suspect it’s very simple. Breach of contract. Whether he had a get out clause doubtless we will find out.

I will say. I am honestly surprised CK has apparently pulled his bid. I imagine there could be some legal ramifications that could be taken against him from the creditors/EFL/Q/etc. (depending on how the contracts were drawn up).
Hoping that one of these other rumored bidders are quick and can get something settled. 
coyr

I will say. I am honestly surprised CK has apparently pulled his bid. I imagine there could be some legal ramifications that could be taken against him from the creditors/EFL/Q/etc. (depending on how the contracts were drawn up).
Hoping that one of these other rumored bidders are quick and can get something settled. 
coyr

Ha. I like that. ?. 
 
I suppose, yes. If all of a sudden CK didn’t complete the deal (although I imagine at this point he would likely find him self in some expensive legal trouble if he didn’t), then yes. Anyone could technically offer what they want. Doesn’t have to be accepted.  
 
But to me the most likely scenario here: rich egotist (MA) is realizing he is about to lose out on buying a fantastic asset, that he thought he would be able to low ball for. So now he throws his toys out the pram and gets his PR team doing the turns. 
 
I’d just like to see a deal get done. And CK is in the strongest position to do that right now. 

Ha. I like that. ?. 
 
I suppose, yes. If all of a sudden CK didn’t complete the deal (although I imagine at this point he would likely find him self in some expensive legal trouble if he didn’t), then yes. Anyone could technically offer what they want. Doesn’t have to be accepted.  
 
But to me the most likely scenario here: rich egotist (MA) is realizing he is about to lose out on buying a fantastic asset, that he thought he would be able to low ball for. So now he throws his toys out the pram and gets his PR team doing the turns. 
 
I’d just like to see a deal get done. And CK is in the strongest position to do that right now. 

I don’t quite understand your position here. 
I’m saying the contracts signed by all parties have set the floor. Because it’s all agreed upon. So, yes, the floor has been ostensibly set because all parties have agreed. 
 
The floor is not set when the funds clear. When the funds clear- CK owns the club. That’s the last step in completing the contract. It’s over- no discussions or offers can be made. Done.

Agree when you say it’s still more than possible CK will sort out whatever the weird banking issue is. Hope he does 
 
But if CK falls away and if there are no other generous bidders,  don’t you think Ashley will hit q with a ball that is so low it’s subterranean 

Problem is, costs are escalating all the time - CK’s deal was done some time ago.  And his deal rests on a particular lease of the stadium that suits his bp and may not suit others. And Rooney supports CK and will have agreed terms with him. And Rooney might not be on Mike Ashley’s Christmas card list. etcetc. So I don’t think it’s as simple as you say 
a deal with another buyer might be apples and pears with CK’s deal 

Ha. I like that. ?. 
 
I suppose, yes. If all of a sudden CK didn’t complete the deal (although I imagine at this point he would likely find him self in some expensive legal trouble if he didn’t), then yes. Anyone could technically offer what they want. Doesn’t have to be accepted.  
 
But to me the most likely scenario here: rich egotist (MA) is realizing he is about to lose out on buying a fantastic asset, that he thought he would be able to low ball for. So now he throws his toys out the pram and gets his PR team doing the turns. 
 
I’d just like to see a deal get done. And CK is in the strongest position to do that right now. 

I don’t quite understand your position here. 
I’m saying the contracts signed by all parties have set the floor. Because it’s all agreed upon. So, yes, the floor has been ostensibly set because all parties have agreed. 
 
The floor is not set when the funds clear. When the funds clear- CK owns the club. That’s the last step in completing the contract. It’s over- no discussions or offers can be made. Done.

I don’t quite understand your position here. 
I’m saying the contracts signed by all parties have set the floor. Because it’s all agreed upon. So, yes, the floor has been ostensibly set because all parties have agreed. 
 
The floor is not set when the funds clear. When the funds clear- CK owns the club. That’s the last step in completing the contract. It’s over- no discussions or offers can be made. Done.

100% agree. Apologies, I misunderstood what you were saying. And I likely wasn’t very clear. 
 
I assume there is a date of completion, and it may well be soon. However, my point is, that date is all that matters to CK. So all the theatrics and hand wringing from other bidders PR teams is useless in a practical sense, however, it is only one of two plays they have; the other is to outbid.
 I suspect Ashley and the others know CK is in a position to complete the deal, which is why they aren’t actually bidding, and trying to force Q/EFL/etc to ‘attempt and pull’ his contract…so they then could try bidding lower. 
 
CK has until the date on the contract to get it completed. And since it appears to me (as been reported), he has put in motion more money to ensure he completes the deal; the only way CK is not the next owner is for someone to outbid him now. 

100% agree. Apologies, I misunderstood what you were saying. And I likely wasn’t very clear. 
 
I assume there is a date of completion, and it may well be soon. However, my point is, that date is all that matters to CK. So all the theatrics and hand wringing from other bidders PR teams is useless in a practical sense, however, it is only one of two plays they have; the other is to outbid.
 I suspect Ashley and the others know CK is in a position to complete the deal, which is why they aren’t actually bidding, and trying to force Q/EFL/etc to ‘attempt and pull’ his contract…so they then could try bidding lower. 
 
CK has until the date on the contract to get it completed. And since it appears to me (as been reported), he has put in motion more money to ensure he completes the deal; the only way CK is not the next owner is for someone to outbid him now. 

Sure. I’m just saying there has been no verified reason reported to suggest CK won’t complete the deal. Funds are there and have been proven. It’s just held up. 
 
And during the time the funds have been held up, Q made the correct decision to allow others to bid. 
 
So far nobody else wants to match or better CKs bid. So it’s still his until someone wants to beat his bid. 

I refuse to believe any conspiracy theories. Mainly because they just don’t really exist in business. The truth is usually less complex. As in, Ashley tabling bids that are unacceptable, then his pride being hurt and starts telling his PR people to whine about being frozen out. That’s not conspiracy- that’s a pretty logical assumption. 
 
Logically, Q didn’t talk to anyone because of exclusivity. When they pulled that, they opened comms back up. That’s just the way deals work. 
 
However, if anyone wanted to rock up at any time with 50million or so in an escrow account, then yes, Q would have at least listened. But nobody has done that.
 
And now that bids can be made again, but with a floor price set, this should be straightforward. Best bid wins. That is currently CKs bid. 

My point is that all parties have agreed a floor price with the CK deal. That means they will not accept anything lower.
 
So there are no more negotiations to be had. Either you meet the floor price or bugger off. 
And the CK deal will only fall through if he turns out to be a proven criminal and his funds seized. As soon as they clear and hit the bank- it’s done- he’s the owner. 
 
CK will be the next owner of Derby County, unless someone else decides to outbid him. 
 
So all this bluster from the PR departments are meaningless.
 

Doesn't it simply mean that MA or anyone else was free to submit a bid or negotiate with the Admins from 5 pm last Friday when CK's exclusivity ended?

Getting pretty tiresome with the media posts about Ashley (or anyone else) just wanting to be the clubs savior, and how he is ready to go. Bollocks. 
There is an accepted offer on the table, that has been agreed to by all parties. That sets a floor price.
 
Yet negotiations are still open, because of the reasons reported. So all he (or anyone else)has to do is match or (more likely) beat the current accepted offer- then he becomes the next owner of Derby County. It’s simple. There are no deals to be had here. A floor price has been established by all parties- so now it’s just best bid wins. 
 
And the fact he(or anyone else) is not just coming forward with an acceptable offer tells me they are not that serious about being the next owner. 

My point is that all parties have agreed a floor price with the CK deal. That means they will not accept anything lower.
 
So there are no more negotiations to be had. Either you meet the floor price or bugger off. 
And the CK deal will only fall through if he turns out to be a proven criminal and his funds seized. As soon as they clear and hit the bank- it’s done- he’s the owner. 
 
CK will be the next owner of Derby County, unless someone else decides to outbid him. 
 
So all this bluster from the PR departments are meaningless.