PistoldPete

Well I have been saying this for some time now . Efl is corrupt … rotten to the core .
how on Earth can it help the stakeholders in Derby County in our current position …  the creditors , the fans , the players , all of us … and all of us innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever… to deduct a frigging 21 points from us and pretty much guarantee relegation?
it could even hasten the club into liquidation , and certainly won’t help the payout to creditors. So what purpose does it serve other than satisfying the sadistic villains at the Efl and all their cronies?

I don’t think it’s true that we would have breached Ffp anyway. Costs were coming down and we had the stadium sale. 
 
but COVID also affects our ability to stay within ffp as well taking us into admin.

Both the athletic article and the Percy one seem to be based on Efl sources so you have to wonder why they are different. 

I think Luton were given an almighty penalty (not sure what for) , but that just showed how these things snowball. EFL  relegate a club and what happens? they lose money and are in a further financial mess.  It makes no sense. 
 
 

If true this is not remotely acceptable from the admin team. Hardly the tough negotiators I was expecting .15 points was too high . 21 points would be beyond ridiculous and a shabby reflection room on all concerned

Well I have been saying this for some time now . Efl is corrupt … rotten to the core .
how on Earth can it help the stakeholders in Derby County in our current position …  the creditors , the fans , the players , all of us … and all of us innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever… to deduct a frigging 21 points from us and pretty much guarantee relegation?
it could even hasten the club into liquidation , and certainly won’t help the payout to creditors. So what purpose does it serve other than satisfying the sadistic villains at the Efl and all their cronies?

Yes. He supports Forest for a start.

Preston

Yes. He supports Forest for a start.

Yes. He supports Forest for a start.

Well I have been saying this for some time now . Efl is corrupt … rotten to the core .
how on Earth can it help the stakeholders in Derby County in our current position …  the creditors , the fans , the players , all of us … and all of us innocent of any wrongdoing whatsoever… to deduct a frigging 21 points from us and pretty much guarantee relegation?
it could even hasten the club into liquidation , and certainly won’t help the payout to creditors. So what purpose does it serve other than satisfying the sadistic villains at the Efl and all their cronies?

I agree with you, but the extent to which we should blame Mel will never be known if there is no appeal. A proper examination of exactly why we went into admin is needed. And if Mel is to blame , fair enough but how will we ever know if the admin team just cave in without a proper appeal?

I think Luton were given an almighty penalty (not sure what for) , but that just showed how these things snowball. EFL  relegate a club and what happens? they lose money and are in a further financial mess.  It makes no sense. 
 
 

I am seriously Pist tonight.

Yes. He supports Forest for a start.

I am seriously Pist tonight.

I think Luton were given an almighty penalty (not sure what for) , but that just showed how these things snowball. EFL  relegate a club and what happens? they lose money and are in a further financial mess.  It makes no sense. 
 
 

I meant the administration team starting the argument over the 12 point deduction.

We got a penalty?

Well not really. Because the EFL only complain to the press if an independent panel reaches a decision they disagree with . If an EFL comprising Ridsdale , Gibson and co   come up with a decision we should accept it meekly because they are much more careful with their spending and always act with utmost integrity. Ask Gibson's chauffeur and as everyone knows Ridsdale is whiter than white. 

Anyone believing that they can achieve some sort of beast-level catharsis by making others as miserable as they feel is in for a nasty shock. Writing down one's reasons for feeling sad or anxious, or annotating those feelings, is a million miles away from venting one's spleen at a complete stranger via social media. 
On thread, as regards the additional 9 point deduction, if it's true, there ought to be some form of enquiry into how exactly this is known by a journalist before the EFL have formally laid out the specifics of the charges brought and the penalties attached to them. It stinks to the high heavens and speaks to the incredibly divisive way they have sought to undermine the club at every juncture. After two years of embargos, with all the issues such sanctions bring, we now find ourselves looking at a 21 point sanction on top and for what? For using ERV and not straight line amortisation policies!
If these reports are true, then I can imagine precisely the line they have adopted in their 'negotiations; challenge either or both charges and we'll seek to expel you from the league. If this is correct then it's small wonder that the talks were 'adjourned' and even less surprising that Mel felt he had to walk away. So much for the 'integrity of the league'. No question, we've made errors of judgement, but has any club ever been faced with such a heavy price to pay for what was, compared to other clubs' transgressions, a relatively minor offence?
'We want Derby County to be sustainable' - GTFOH
 

Let’s just get all the points penalties now and start next season fresh with a new owner in League One.
People saying -21 points is the worst case scenario. it isn’t at all. We’re already going down with -12 points. Worst case scenario is relegation and then for the financial irregularity / punishment points deduction to happen in League One.
Starting next season in League One with zero points, a new owner and no hanging points deduction is among the best case scenarios.
 

Ps either the administrators, the club or the EFL need to find out where the leaks are coming from and plug them by sacking the guilty for gross misconduct. Too much is reported by the media not official sources.

If true this is not remotely acceptable from the admin team. Hardly the tough negotiators I was expecting .15 points was too high . 21 points would be beyond ridiculous and a shabby reflection room on all concerned

Maxwell wasn’t convicted as he jumped off. BoAt first so technically not convicted.