TheTinMan

2 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said:

theres some sodding doom mongers in our fan base 

must be a bloody hoot to live with 

Drawing with the side bottom of the league, about to be 10 behind Pompey and the inconsistency of our form makes that a hard gap to bridge. For every Peterborough or Blackpool there's a bloody Cambridge or today so far. 

4 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Nelson nods in the equaliser at the back stick after the keeper made a great point blank save low down, with the ball spinning up in the air for Nelson to attack.

Good time to equalise, not good enough in the first half without being as poor as some are making out. Just really flat performance from the lads. Think the introduction of any of Bird/Sibley/Hourihane/Wilson and even Washington will see us push on and win this. 

Its very poor considering the level of opposition 

1 minute ago, Bris Vegas said:

Football is an escape for many. A couple of hours of much-needed entertainment after a week of habit.

But it just isn’t entertaining is it?

I’ve pretty much lost interest. 

Been like this for years to be fair, probably since losing the playoff final to Villa. I bizarrely enjoyed the relegation season under Rooney but not much else since that playoff final. Plenty of fight and youngsters getting a chance in the relegation season. Last season they got a pass for barely having a side at the start. Can barely be bothered under Warne at the moment. No danger of going down but about the same chance of going up. Pointless season. 

3 minutes ago, StaffsRam said:

Shrewsbury (D), Fleetwood (L), Ipswich (L), MK Dons (D), Burton (W), Portsmouth (L), Wigan (L), Blackpool (L), Oxford (L), Fleetwood (W), Portsmouth (D).

One's a cup game, which leaves 9 points from 10 games. At home, in the third tier.

Worth noting Fleetwood and Burton look strong relegation contenders this season 

1 minute ago, Chester40 said:

Just watching that game in isolation, I think there are some massive over reactions.

Tight game against decent opposition. 

We actually created some decent opportunities to get at them, but our final ball/touch were really frustrating. Lots of simple passes going astray and sloppyness at times too. A bit route one at time but the quality of ball was the issue as much as the tactic itself.

Finally got a head of steam up and got the goal.

Only then do I feel as annoyed as others seem to be. Really poor game management and we were lucky not to concede from a simple header. Looked weak from crosses all game and still then just stood off and kept letting them have the ball out wide and not closing down.

Stole defeat from the clutches of victory.

Forsyth MoTM for me. Sibley looked decent when he came on. Washington really frustrating. 

You can't take this game in isolation. Its been a poor start to the season following a poor end to last season. If Clowes wants any sort of promotion push this season he needs to get shot of Warne asap. Up to him ultimately its his money. Great he saved us etc but the honeymoon period there is over, time to get serious about how long we're content being a league 1 side. 

Arguably been a worse transfer window than last summer when we had a few weeks to do business. Why are we waiting until deadliine day to make loan signings? Plenty of other sides in the league have secured premier league youngsters on loan already. 

I think its fine being patient IF that was the message the club was sending out, that they knew it'd take a while to get back to the Championship and they were trying to be forward thinking. To me going out of your way to recruit a 'promotion specialist' at this level from the league above who was still in a job at the time don't forget doesn't send out the message we are being patient as a club or more worryingly can afford to be patient. The signings don't smack of patience or of planning for the future they smack of short termism, players who on paper are much better than this level but in reality to get them to play at this level they come with huge caveats. I'm worried about far more than how this season pans out, I can see the short-term plan from the club and its probably not going to work. I have no idea what the mid-long term plans are and that is very hard to be patient about. 

I don't think there's a hope in hell of any of the ones we want to keep re-signing without getting promotion. Why on earth would they re-sign in a team where they are played out of position in front of booing home crowds? As bad as things currently feel they are probably going to feel 10x worse next summer with virtually no squad again and of note no midfielders and only Washington as a striker (worst case scenario). This is the sustainable model we're going with. Refresh your squad every 2 seasons entirely. 

The only thing I'd be asking of Clowes which is a bit benefit of hindsight and he might turn out alright but did we need to offer Warne such a long contract? We're potentially stuck with him until 2026. I suspect to attract him down a league we couldn't get away with offering him 2 years for example. 

Things aren't looking any better for the weekend sounds like Wilson is an injury doubt too. Might just be whoever is fit gets a game at the weekend in some sort of formation. 

Strange bit from the Rams TV interview "There might be reasons for certain things but I'm going to keep that under my hat" and then he sort of went onto something else. 

I've not heard the word disappointed or disappointing used so many times before. Bird's injury sounds very bad by the way as if the evening couldn't get any worse, too much pain to describe what the injury was apparently. Did Warne say anything on Radio Derby about Bird, he said on Rams TV he'd find out before that interview. 

6 minutes ago, Mick Brolly said:

That unfortunately is the penalty we as a club might have to live with for longer than we would like to thanks to Mel .

We didn't have to go this way though this was Warne's choice and actually Liam's to be fair too which makes me wonder if its the preferred strategy of the club generally. You can't entice the likes of Conor Hourihane to League 1 and not expect to pay more than we can probably afford as a squad generally. Bradley just came from a club who got promoted to the PL. Why didn't we accept we'd be down here for a bit and rebuild properly with hungry players from the lower leagues and other markets, try and tie down the ones we had like Bird and Cashin and build the team around them? I don't get it at all it all, feels very short sighted to me. I mentioned all those players out of contract next summer i.e. half the squad. I'd be staggered if half of them are here next September. 

I'm not sure how accurate transfermarkt is on these things and there might be some we have an 'option' on to extend but apparently Wildsmith, Cashin, Forsyth, Bird, Thompson, Sibley, Hourihane, Korey Smith, Barkhuizen, Mendez-Laing, Collins and Waghorn all have contracts expiring next summer. 

Its the general direction of travel I'm not keen on. Signing journeyman players on short term deals, they don't extend their deals (shock horror they are all in it for the money), no resale value, continue to let youngsters get too close to the end of their deals and go for peanuts. Rinse and repeat. How do we as supporters connect to these players because with the exception of Fozzy and maybe Cashin I'm struggling to see any of these as Derby players if you get where I'm coming from, this is a means to and end for most of them for a little bit. Bird won't be here for much longer sadly. That's not being melodramatic that is the reality of this philosophy we seem to be going with. 

2 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

What will cost Clowes more money, keeping a manager that won't get us out of the league or letting said manager bugger about for 2/3 years?

honestly this seasons a write off already. I don't have any faith in him but I'm not sure any manager is taking this group of players up this season by the time they get in and try and sort things out and then probably have no money to do anything in January and we are probably too good to go down so what's the point? That's not me asking I'm putting myself in Clowes shoes. Over 20,000 season ticket sales so that becomes next seasons problem not this season. 

Sorry but there's no chance of him being sacked, there's no budget for it for starters. Why he got such a long contract is an interesting debate given the predicament the club found itself in and possibly continues to. Probably Clowes first big blunder but then he wouldn't have got Warne here if it wasn't a good offer right? I mean who drops down a league? Big Dave isn't coming here in a million years he wanted a new contract 4x what he was on before promotion according to Sheffield Wednesday's chairman/owner. 

The reality is without a worldie from Forsyth which lets face it will be his quota done for the rest of his career we'd have played 3 home games and lost all 3 without scoring a goal. And Burton look like being cannon fodder in this league so we can't even cling onto that brighter second half. 

1 minute ago, Chris_Martin said:

really? 

pretty sure it was a horrific back pass by bradley

to be fair the 2nd wigan goal was 100% on Wildsmith 

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

The middle of the park is to be bypassed by passes out to the wingbacks to sling crosses over.

Its baffling. The two best footballers we have in the side are in the centre of the park and they don't get a kick and its not Korey Smith. 

its early days but the recruitment we've done in the summer which has been given a chance to start a game looks shocking and the one positive one has gone off injured. At least we can all stay up late on deadline day looking forward to seeing the next Harvey White or Sprockett or whatever his name was I've forgotten already join on loan 

Early days but even though I saw some positives on Saturday there's still not enough depth to this squad to get promoted. We're an injury away to a Bird or Hourihane in midfield or one of the strikers from being threadbare. And if that is the budget on the crowds we're getting I'd be very fearful of the future of the club to be brutally honest because the crowds won't grow in this division, the funds aren't enough to get promotion realistically and so we find ourselves in a bit of a predicament. Hopefully some of the financial nooses are legacy things from Mel's days which we'll get over one day rather than regular day-to-day expenses. 

8 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

Who is David Goggins and why is he trying to hurt Max?

Also it appears that actually, he can 

Just from googling I presume it was Caprice who hurt Bird, looks a bit like this Goggins fella. 

2nd half was actually pretty good at both ends. One caveat is Burton look like they'll be down in the relegation scrap this season, very limited side 

Collins has been excellent this game and we look a lot better with Bird and NML in support this half 

I'd be staggered if anyone from the Championship was genuinely interested in Cash. This system doesn't suit him but even so he still looks clumsy on the ball and very slow. His tackling is excellent but he'd only have to make half of them if he was quicker and less error prone.