Books

[StaffsRam]

I've read about him Staffs, his names Charles Joughin. Never let it be said that a whiskey doesn't keep out the cold!

It's very sad to know that while Titanic exceeded the minimum of lifeboats, the fact that even if they had all been filled in the first place a lot of people would still have died. There was just no chance of everyone getting off alive.

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[url=http://www.titanicuniverse.com/]http://www.titanicuniverse.com/

[url=http://titanic-titanic.com/]http://titanic-titanic.com/

Thanks for the links LR, I haven't perused those yet!

It is indeed sad that maritime regulations of the time didn't specify a lifeboat space for everyone on the ship. The only consolation is that after the disaster this did indeed become the regulation.

Of course the other sadness around this story, is the role of the Californian. It was so close, and could have rendered assistance, yet through misunderstanding, and bad judgement/luck, failed to do so.

Re Rose and Jack - Can't remember exactly as it's been a while since I've seen the movie, but I've always imagined that the combined weight of the pair would have been too great for it to stay afloat. And as LR says, it wouldn't really play into the hero role if he managed to survive.

[ladyram]

Yep, Jack graciously let his lady have the flotsam.

Good lad.

[MrsRam]

I've just read Robbie Savages autobiography then Paul Mersons, more or less straight after.

I have to admit that I laughed out loud at Paul Merson, and although he told us that to read his book and get to know him, you'd like him more, I didn't warm to Robbie.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like to have lived with either of them, both being very 'high maintenance' but I can see the stress in football, reading their books. It's not like working in an office, you have to be ontop of your game 24/7 and let's face it, nobody is so cock sure, always waiting for the 'younger guy' to come and take your place. 250 a week or 25000 a week, nothing is forever.

Maybe, I would be a Merson, not a Savage and I can relate to him more, but they both cried a lot and were self conscious and worried about the future. Maybe we have an idealistic view of footballers and maybe, we're happier as we are. That's how those two books made me feel. It all sounds like a good life on the face of it - but underneath is just living for the next match.

I can see how they got bored, you train from praps 9 till 12, then that's it......till 3 o'clock saturday, and if you don't play, what's the point...what the hell do you do for the rest of the week.

Well if I was ever stood in a bar and I wanted a footballer to come and have a drink with me, It would be Merse.

[GboroRam]

Well if I was ever stood in a bar and I wanted a footballer to come and have a drink with me, It would be Merse.

Er, not in the best taste? (says he, on his 3rd can)

[MrsRam]

Er, not in the best taste? (says he, on his 3rd can)

Yeah, well he'd be buying ( he does still drink apparently ) and even sober - he sounds like a good laff.

[Day]

I read Savages autobiography in an attempt to warm to him, had the complete opposite effect. Be fair to say he's not on my Xmas card list.

[MrsRam]

I don't think Robbie was particularly nice about us Derby fans, I think he wanted to be loved from the start, and in his book, he played the Leicester penalty down and played the 'derby fans were 'orrible to me' up. Always someone elses fault.

[McRamFan]

I don't think Robbie was particularly nice about us Derby fans, I think he wanted to be loved from the start, and in his book, he played the Leicester penalty down and played the 'derby fans were 'orrible to me' up. Always someone elses fault.

With Sav it has always been someone elses fault. He could have been such a better player if he wasn't so mardy half the time.

[Day]

He was a knob at Birmingham so he could force through a move to Blackburn, I was tempted at that point not to read on. He played for Man Utd yer know, the constant reminders didn't let you forget that.

[Leeds Ram]

just starting the rights of man by thomas paine read fatherland and lord of the flies.

[MrsRam]

just starting the rights of man by thomas paine read fatherland and lord of the flies.

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[Leeds Ram]

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[EastKentRam]

I've just read Robbie Savages autobiography then Paul Mersons, more or less straight after.

I have to admit that I laughed out loud at Paul Merson, and although he told us that to read his book and get to know him, you'd like him more, I didn't warm to Robbie.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like to have lived with either of them, both being very 'high maintenance' but I can see the stress in football, reading their books. It's not like working in an office, you have to be ontop of your game 24/7 and let's face it, nobody is so cock sure, always waiting for the 'younger guy' to come and take your place. 250 a week or 25000 a week, nothing is forever.

Maybe, I would be a Merson, not a Savage and I can relate to him more, but they both cried a lot and were self conscious and worried about the future. Maybe we have an idealistic view of footballers and maybe, we're happier as we are. That's how those two books made me feel. It all sounds like a good life on the face of it - but underneath is just living for the next match.

I can see how they got bored, you train from praps 9 till 12, then that's it......till 3 o'clock saturday, and if you don't play, what's the point...what the hell do you do for the rest of the week.

Well if I was ever stood in a bar and I wanted a footballer to come and have a drink with me, It would be Merse.

[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wheres-Your-Caravan-Footballs-B-Roads/dp/0007364148]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wheres-Your-Caravan-Footballs-B-Roads/dp/0007364148

If you like footballers autobiography's, my dad recommended this to me and i've just started reading it.

Chris Hargreaves, a lower league journeyman. Completely different lifestyle and aspect on a footballers life.

[2tups]

For any old wry nostalgics, and given it was Boro today, I really enjoyed 'The Far Corner' by Harry Pearson (who writes for WSC) following non-league football around the north of England. Though if only for the title alone, his cricket book, 'Slipless in Settle' probably shades it.

[MrsRam]

[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wheres-Your-Caravan-Footballs-B-Roads/dp/0007364148]http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/0007364148

If you like footballers autobiography's, my dad recommended this to me and i've just started reading it.

Chris Hargreaves, a lower league journeyman. Completely different lifestyle and aspect on a footballers life.

I'll wait till you've read it then....

[Day]

[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wheres-Your-Caravan-Footballs-B-Roads/dp/0007364148]http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/0007364148

If you like footballers autobiography's, my dad recommended this to me and i've just started reading it.

Chris Hargreaves, a lower league journeyman. Completely different lifestyle and aspect on a footballers life.

Just bought that on your recommendation (better be good), the fact he played for Grimsby Town swung it

[EastKentRam]

I remember seeing him as a player, bit of a Robbie Savage of the lower leagues in looks and playing style.

I've only done a few chapters but quite enjoying it, my old man highly recommends it and all he does is read.

If it's ****, unlucky.

[Day]

Can't be any worse than Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney's autoboreographies.

Just starting Chris Kamara's now, should be entertaining....hopefully

[SillyBilly]

Still got Savage's on the side, the cover is putting me off from picking it up. Had no idea Wayne had an auto out, anything on the granny episode?

[Mary Hindge]

King does great shopping-list horror novels, but his idea of an ending is pretty crappy all too often. The Stand was a great read, but again let down by a bad ending.

Jesus Christ monkey balls I have only just finished reading the stand has it really taken me over four months to read? It was a kind of "directors cut" version so hopefully a lot longer than the original!

Was one hell of a story and have enjoyed reading it but yet again what a bloody let down? What happens to Tom Cullen? Did dark man rock up in Madagaster or something? I won't be reading no more fooking Stephen king books from now on, great story teller **** at ending them!