Angry Ram Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Get it confirmed today you useless muppets. We have to have this at Heathrow and soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Surely with Brexit we will no longer need to expand? #endoftheworld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, LesterRam said: Surely with Brexit we will no longer need to expand? #endoftheworld The opposite, we need to make UKPLC as attractive as possible. Hubs in Amsterdam and Frankfurt and even Luxemburg are all a threat to LHR. We have to maintain LHR as a major hub and gateway into Europe for the major airlines. It might already be too late... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3rd runway at Heathrow is only going to have a negative impact on the rest of the UK. Amsterdam is a vastly superior hub airport, and LHR is too far behind to catch up, regardless of expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 hours ago, LesterRam said: Surely with Brexit we will no longer need to expand? #endoftheworld We're not going to be known as Airstrip One after May gets into bed with Big Trumper in a couple of weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 I've tried to take an interest in this but in the end, I really don't care what the south east does to itself. They already shaft the rest of the country anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, eddie said: We're not going to be known as Airstrip One after May gets into bed with Big Trumper in a couple of weeks? Trump is going to grab her by the landing strip??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 hour ago, McRamFan said: 3rd runway at Heathrow is only going to have a negative impact on the rest of the UK. Amsterdam is a vastly superior hub airport, and LHR is too far behind to catch up, regardless of expansion. Why a negative impact on the rest of the UK? AMS is a good hub and so is FRA and I agree that LHR is far behind in infrastructure and that is why we desperately need the 3rd runway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Why a negative impact on the rest of the UK? AMS is a good hub and so is FRA and I agree that LHR is far behind in infrastructure and that is why we desperately need the 3rd runway. It will take traffic away from places like MAN and BHX, plus there are EMA and DSA that could be developed and take the strain off the 'London' airports. Did you know Southend is considered a London airport? Mad or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 minute ago, McRamFan said: It will take traffic away from places like MAN and BHX, plus there are EMA and DSA that could be developed and take the strain off the 'London' airports. Did you know Southend is considered a London airport? Mad or what? So is Stansted. That's mad too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 51 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Why a negative impact on the rest of the UK? AMS is a good hub and so is FRA and I agree that LHR is far behind in infrastructure and that is why we desperately need the 3rd runway. It could certainly do with an upgrade on the laughably poor rail links before you consider flying a few million more in per year. Heathrow is totally London-focused, and it will remain to be, at the expense of the rest of the country. 2 trains per hour into central London only v a full-blown 6-platform railway station at Schiphol serving Amsterdam, Den Haag, Rotterdam, Nijmegen, Enschede, Paris, Brussels etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 37 minutes ago, McRamFan said: It will take traffic away from places like MAN and BHX, plus there are EMA and DSA that could be developed and take the strain off the 'London' airports. Did you know Southend is considered a London airport? Mad or what? EMA is about dead now from a passenger perspective. It's on the way to becoming almost a freight-only airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 Ram Raider Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, eddie said: EMA is about dead now from a passenger perspective. It's on the way to becoming almost a freight-only airport. Slightly incorrect, passenger figures continue to grow year on year and beats each month compared with the same month last year for the last 5 years. Freight is a huge part of the airport that’s why it’s been classed the uk’s largest for pure freight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Yeah EMA just redeveloped the Departures - must have cost a fortune. Doubt they'd have bothered if they werent growing. Not surprising it is the largest freight airport when it's also the most central airport in the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 hour ago, McRamFan said: It will take traffic away from places like MAN and BHX, plus there are EMA and DSA that could be developed and take the strain off the 'London' airports. Did you know Southend is considered a London airport? Mad or what? The point is MAN & BHX don't really fill the void. International carriers want to fly to LHR not regional airports unless it is specific. Moving people and cargo from LGW is a nightmare.. When we are talking trade LHR is still a major gateway for cargo into Europe, however AMS & FRA are starting to take a bigger and bigger chunk and we have to stop this. There is still room, infact there is a massive need for at least 3 hubs to service western Europe. What we don't need is PAR taking any of our pie. On a jobs front, this will create thousands and this at a time when everything is doom and gloom. This should have been done years ago but again politicians fook it up.. If you have ever been to Southend airport, it's okay and serves a purpose. It's simple.. LTN & LGW for holiday trade and some short haul. STN for freighters LHR International. The regionals do their thing and should continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 1 hour ago, eddie said: It could certainly do with an upgrade on the laughably poor rail links before you consider flying a few million more in per year. Heathrow is totally London-focused, and it will remain to be, at the expense of the rest of the country. 2 trains per hour into central London only v a full-blown 6-platform railway station at Schiphol serving Amsterdam, Den Haag, Rotterdam, Nijmegen, Enschede, Paris, Brussels etc. Crossrail should sort that - more trains and they're predicting 30 minute travel time from Heathrow to Canary Wharf.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 49 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: The point is MAN & BHX don't really fill the void. International carriers want to fly to LHR not regional airports unless it is specific. Moving people and cargo from LGW is a nightmare.. When we are talking trade LHR is still a major gateway for cargo into Europe, however AMS & FRA are starting to take a bigger and bigger chunk and we have to stop this. There is still room, infact there is a massive need for at least 3 hubs to service western Europe. What we don't need is PAR taking any of our pie. On a jobs front, this will create thousands and this at a time when everything is doom and gloom. This should have been done years ago but again politicians fook it up.. If you have ever been to Southend airport, it's okay and serves a purpose. It's simple.. LTN & LGW for holiday trade and some short haul. STN for freighters LHR International. The regionals do their thing and should continue to do so. How likely is it that people will want to ship to Heathrow, outside the EU, for Europe, when they can ship direct into the EU? On those grounds, greater capacity for Heathrow seems pointless. An onward journey would entail another flight or road or rail through the tunnel and the legendary French customs checks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: How likely is it that people will want to ship to Heathrow, outside the EU, for Europe, when they can ship direct into the EU? On those grounds, greater capacity for Heathrow seems pointless. An onward journey would entail another flight or road or rail through the tunnel and the legendary French customs checks. Simple capacity issues. Not enough space into any one airport. Already works today, freight destined for AMS etc travels via road under bond and is then cleared at destination. Heathrow is crucial for northern Europe. Likewise it works the other way, some carriers from Asia will terminate in FRA or AMS and then it is trucked over to LON. The advent of ecommerce has caused huge capacity issues worldwide. Try booking 300 kgs on a flight from LHR to JFK at Christmas time.. Wait 7 days and keep your fingers crossed unless you want to pay premium.. Might have to book it to a more creative destination and get it trucked back. EMA will continue to play a really important part as the integrators use it a lot. A b it like Fed Ex use Memphis, cheap and cheerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 52 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Simple capacity issues. Not enough space into any one airport. Already works today, freight destined for AMS etc travels via road under bond and is then cleared at destination. Heathrow is crucial for northern Europe. Likewise it works the other way, some carriers from Asia will terminate in FRA or AMS and then it is trucked over to LON. The advent of ecommerce has caused huge capacity issues worldwide. Try booking 300 kgs on a flight from LHR to JFK at Christmas time.. Wait 7 days and keep your fingers crossed unless you want to pay premium.. Might have to book it to a more creative destination and get it trucked back. EMA will continue to play a really important part as the integrators use it a lot. A b it like Fed Ex use Memphis, cheap and cheerful. You got a freight forwarding background Angry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, ThePrisoner said: You got a freight forwarding background Angry? Certainly am mate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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