The_Sheriff Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Mafiabob said: How many of them goals we've conceded from set plays has Shackell been in? Genuine question Not sure I am going off from what I have seen and I think much less. I will get back to you if I can with some statistical data. At risk of pissing on my own fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Just now, Simsy said: Yeah we don't score enough that's true but we can't hide the fact we are leaking goals late on and leaking a lot from corners. if you don't concede you don't lose lol No its true, but maybe if our forward line were a bit more lethal and not a bottom half of the championship on form forward line, we wouldnt be under so much pressure late on and concede. Ask Middlesborough fans, a top 5 defence and worst attack, its not the goals they have conceded that will get them relegated its the ones they havent scored. I wont deny we need to work on set pieces, but our biggest problems lie further up the pitch. Its the same old thing when people blame Keogh for us not getting promoted at wembley, they remember us conceding, but not the fact our forward line couldnt score against 10 men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 7 hours ago, Paul71 said: No its true, but maybe if our forward line were a bit more lethal and not a bottom half of the championship on form forward line, we wouldnt be under so much pressure late on and concede. Ask Middlesborough fans, a top 5 defence and worst attack, its not the goals they have conceded that will get them relegated its the ones they havent scored. I wont deny we need to work on set pieces, but our biggest problems lie further up the pitch. Its the same old thing when people blame Keogh for us not getting promoted at wembley, they remember us conceding, but not the fact our forward line couldnt score against 10 men. Yeah good points.. you are a defender aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Shackell seems the obvious solution here, and is probably our best central defender...but everyone wants/thinks we should we should get rid of him in the summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 35 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said: Shackell seems the obvious solution here, and is probably our best central defender...but everyone wants/thinks we should we should get rid of him in the summer? He's injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Just now, cannable said: He's injured What does that have to do with anything I said in my post? I know he's injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Just now, Nuwtfly said: What does that have to do with anything I said in my post? I know he's injured. Injured players aren't the solution… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuwtfly Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 40 minutes ago, cannable said: Injured players aren't the solution… Obviously I mean when he's back fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclej Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 On 18/03/2017 at 15:32, Ilsonram12 said: Concentration concentration concentration They're just kids though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Paul71 said: No its true, but maybe if our forward line were a bit more lethal and not a bottom half of the championship on form forward line, we wouldnt be under so much pressure late on and concede. Ask Middlesborough fans, a top 5 defence and worst attack, its not the goals they have conceded that will get them relegated its the ones they havent scored. I wont deny we need to work on set pieces, but our biggest problems lie further up the pitch. Its the same old thing when people blame Keogh for us not getting promoted at wembley, they remember us conceding, but not the fact our forward line couldnt score against 10 men. that system got them promoted not many goals scored but least against seems to be the formula for promotion in the championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 1 minute ago, barnsley ram said: that system got them promoted not many goals scored but least against seems to be the formula for promotion in the championship Short term system that's costing them big time this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 8 hours ago, cannable said: Short term system that's costing them big time this season. yes it doesnt work in the premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 9 hours ago, barnsley ram said: that system got them promoted not many goals scored but least against seems to be the formula for promotion in the championship They still scored twice as many as they conceded. If we had then things would look very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 We lack height in defence, we didn't try and force a short corner; we didn't have anyone on the posts someone on Carsons right hand post may have kept the ball out (although it was a great header) and no one would have specific responsibility for picking up the full back I'm guessing so in a zonal system the nearest players were Russell, Baird and Johnson (I think) of these Johnson would probably be best pick to try and defend it Positive - it's all coachable Negative - should never have lost that game at that stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Sorry lost that goal - still feels like a defeat!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 On 3/18/2017 at 15:13, Simsy said: Corners Late goals against. Solution: Chris Martin Corrected it for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbylad92 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Bring back bucko! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I don't see how getting taller CB's would help. It's not our CB's that are consistently struggling with aerial balls. Well, they are finding it tough. Probably due to how much reliance is placed on those two and Johnson to win everything in the air. It's panic now. I mean we conceded a throw in goal vs Barnsley because Jacob Butterfield was marking a bloke he never stood a chance against. Is it linked to how many late goals we conceded? Towards the end of games when teams become more direct. I mean without Johnson in DM we lose everything that drops out the sky. Even if we win the first ball we were losing the bounce!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhysbeck Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Height can definitely help, but it isn't everything. My favourite example has to be Javier Mascherano- he's not half bad as a CB, yet he's only 5'9''! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 @Mafiabob haven't forget, just really cant get any statistical corner data. What I did find though is Shackell has won more aerial duels then any other player other then fozzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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