What Happened To The Snakes?

[cannable]

7 minutes ago, DCFCArmy said:

Martin being a big one

Hughes in my opinion will be the beneficial from this, because imo he's easily led and could be taken under a trouble makers wing, I love the fact we've probably got rid of the ring leader and most likely his second in demand which is Grant, funny how those pair have been kicked out the door desperately.

I don't think it is any of last seasons signings, I think its a case of someone else coming onto their patch and them kicking off about it.

Do you write fan-fiction? 

[Curtains]

27 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Another twist last night as @SuperDerbySuperRams suggested that some players were 'disgusted' by yesterday's proceedings...

What proceedings.

 

 

[DCFCArmy]

1 minute ago, curtains said:

What proceedings.

 

 

i'm sure a lot are upset about their leader being pushed out the door

Might mean they now knuckle down and get on with it?!?

[Curtains]

Just now, DCFCArmy said:

i'm sure a lot are upset about their leader being pushed out the door

Might mean they now knuckle down and get on with it?!?

What leader. 

[RoyMac5]

1 minute ago, curtains said:

What leader. 

The Glorious Leader?

[Curtains]

Just now, RoyMac5 said:

The Glorious Leader?

Who's he. 

[RoyMac5]

1 minute ago, curtains said:

Who's he. 

That guy in N Korea?

[cannable]

I heard Chris Martin runs a counterfeit jeans operation in his car hold. 

[Sexydadbod]

33 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

The point of the thread is saying that the squad could still have people within it who could disrupt things.

What was the point of posting the 'reliable source' in the first place it you did not want it to be discussed?

If people knew that players were being sold because they were considered a disruptive influence on the squad then maybe they would find it easier to accept.

Not going to ask you to mention names. However, what other reliable information has your source provided before?

And why have you posted this thread now rather than when I said it which was a week ago? Again this thread is completely unnecessary. It appears that someone is a bit bored. If you're interested in what other info this source has told me, he said McClaren wouldn't be here for the 15/16 season. Over a year a go I was adamant that McCLaren wouldn't be here and he also let me know about Thorne coming here permanently. He has been correct on a number of other things too. Like any other source he isn't correct on everything but I say he has got a very good hit rate. Not as if I come on here every transfer window and claim to be ITK when I'm not. Don't know why it appears so shocking for you to believe that rumours get out. These may or may not be correct, rumours aren't facts

[G STAR RAM]

34 minutes ago, McLovin said:

And why have you posted this thread now rather than when I said it which was a week ago? Again this thread is completely unnecessary.

I did challenge you on it at the time but you ignored it.

I have posted it now as the transfer window has now closed so there will not be any other players leaving, that could mean some of the so called 'snakes' remain in the squad.

If this thread is unecessary then surely your original post should not have been made? Or maybe you was bored at the time you made it?

In fact, looking back you thought the news was that important that you posted about it in a few threads...

[Mafiabob]

37 minutes ago, cannable said:

I heard Chris Martin runs a counterfeit jeans operation in his car hold. 

He would use a wardrobe but it topples over regularly 

[ramLAD]

1 hour ago, DCFCArmy said:

Martin being a big one

Hughes in my opinion will be the beneficial from this, because imo he's easily led and could be taken under a trouble makers wing, I love the fact we've probably got rid of the ring leader and most likely his second in demand which is Grant, funny how those pair have been kicked out the door desperately.

I don't think it is any of last seasons signings, I think its a case of someone else coming onto their patch and them kicking off about it.

This is the funniest thing I have ever read on this forum.

[Sexydadbod]

13 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

I did challenge you on it at the time but you ignored it.

I have posted it now as the transfer window has now closed so there will not be any other players leaving, that could mean some of the so called 'snakes' remain in the squad.

If this thread is unecessary then surely your original post should not have been made? Or maybe you was bored at the time you made it?

In fact, looking back you thought the news was that important that you posted about it in a few threads...

I didn't "ignore it", I simply didn't see it, if I was was ignoring you I wouldn't respond to this thread. I'm not saying whether or not the disruptors in the dressing room are still here or not because that may or may not give it away who they are. I reiterate that these are rumours , they may or may not be correct.  SDSR said that the players are 'disgusted', do you want to ask yourself why they are disgusted? What are they disgusted about, that Mel has given Pearson full control and they don't like it? I'm asking you again why you seem so surprised that rumours get out, do you know how many people work at moor farm? This thread is unnecessary, sounds like someone is wanting a bit of attention, if you wanted me to tell you then why didn't you PM me, surely that would have been the sensible thing to do? The original post was made because it confirmed to me the statements from this individual that the players aren't 100% focused due to issues off the field. Burton looked like a team, we didn't. I really don't have to explain myself to you or anyone else challenging me on this issue but I will say this, team's performances on the field are generally a reflection of how things are going off the field. 

[SuperDerbySuperRams]

Snakes is a bit harsh 

This isn't fan fiction. There aren't sabatours. It's not devious 

A lot of the squad didn't like Clement and his philosophy. I'm sure it played a part in his eventual departure. 

As for Pearson, I have heard that him and Martin never saw eye to eye, to put it lightly. Which is pretty obvious really, as you don't shift your top scorer from last season on loan on deadline day if you're desperate to keep him. 

There has been a pretty central social group at Derby for a number of years now. A core group. I was told last night that some weren't happy with the way this has all panned out and how the situation was dealt with. I was also told that last night Mel and Sam wanted it too, but that's something I don't feel comfortable getting into. 

Personally, I feel the time was right for Martin to move on. In the 13/14 and 14/15 season he was for the most part our best player. But let's be frank, players wised up, Refs wised up, and managers wised up. He just simply wasn't the same player to the back end of 14/15 and the majority of 15/16, and the start of the current season. Whether that's down to service, tactics, managers or personal, I really don't know. 

I would have got rid, but not on loan. We got a brilliant £3m fee, which is great for the period of time, providing they sign him at the end of it, but that isn't guaranteed, which is why I'm uneasy about it, especially when we recieved cash bids from Wolves. 

I'm excited to see a new Derby. Not fixed around one focal point. One with a bit of fluidity up top. It's exciting times, I just hope it works...

[Sexydadbod]

4 minutes ago, SuperDerbySuperRams said:

Snakes is a bit harsh 

This isn't fan fiction. There aren't sabatours. It's not devious 

A lot of the squad didn't like Clement and his philosophy. I'm sure it played a part in his eventual departure. 

As for Pearson, I have heard that him and Martin never saw eye to eye, to put it lightly. Which is pretty obviously really, as you don't shift your top scorer from last season on loan on deadline day if you're desperate to keep him. 

There has been a pretty central social group at Derby for a number of years now. A core group. I was told last night that some weren't happy with the way this has all panned out and how the situation was dealt with. I was also told that last night Mel and Sam wanted it too, but that's something I don't feel comfortable getting into. 

Personally, I feel the time was right for Martin to move on. In the 13/14 and 14/15 season he was for the most part our best player. But let's be frank, players wised out, Refs wised up, and managers wised up. He just simply wasn't the same player to the back end of 14/15 and the majority of 15/16, and the start of the current season. Whether that's down to service, tactics, managers or personal, I really don't know. 

I would have got rid, but not on loan. We got a brilliant £3m fee, which is great for the period of time, providing they sign him at the end of it, but that isn't guaranteed, which is why I'm uneasy about it, especially when we recieved cash bids from Wolves. 

I'm excited to see a new Derby. Not fixed around one focal point. One with a bit of fluidity up top. It's exciting times, I just hope it works...

Maybe the use of the word snakes was a bit over the top but the comment was made in the heat of the moment after watching the performance against Burton  

[G STAR RAM]

11 minutes ago, McLovin said:

I didn't "ignore it", I simply didn't see it, if I was was ignoring you I wouldn't respond to this thread. I'm not saying whether or not the disruptors in the dressing room are still here or not because that may or may not give it away who they are. I reiterate that these are rumours , they may or may not be correct.  SDSR said that the players are 'disgusted', do you want to ask yourself why they are disgusted? What are they disgusted about, that Mel has given Pearson full control and they don't like it? I'm asking you again why you seem so surprised that rumours get out, do you know how many people work at moor farm? This thread is unnecessary, sounds like someone is wanting a bit of attention, if you wanted me to tell you then why didn't you PM me, surely that would have been the sensible thing to do? The original post was made because it confirmed to me the statements from this individual that the players aren't 100% focused due to issues off the field. Burton looked like a team, we didn't. I really don't have to explain myself to you or anyone else challenging me on this issue but I will say this, team's performances on the field are generally a reflection of how things are going off the field. 

Rumours? Before it was information from a reliable source?

As for me wanting attention...don't make me laugh! If I wanted thatI would post a rumour and then point blank refuse to respond to people asking about it...

I don't want or need to know names, just interested in knowing if Pearson is moving players for football reasons or not.

I know you don't have to explain yourself to me, or anyone else, but don't be saying threads are unecessary when challenging statements that you could not wait to post across multiple threads.

[Sexydadbod]

7 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Rumours? Before it was information from a reliable source?

As for me wanting attention...don't make me laugh! If I wanted thatI would post a rumour and then point blank refuse to respond to people asking about it...

I don't want or need to know names, just interested in knowing if Pearson is moving players for football reasons or not.

I know you don't have to explain yourself to me, or anyone else, but don't be saying threads are unecessary when challenging statements that you could not wait to post across multiple threads.

I said rumours because the information may or may not be 100% correct. You never know if information is 100% factual unless you have seen it first hand yourself. If I wanted attention I would have made a thread like you have right now and explicitly stated those who are not giving their all. There is a reason why I didn't respond to the replies, not yours as I honestly never saw you questioning it, but other people's.It was in the heat of the moment after watching the performance against Burton, we all say things we regret in the heat of the moment. In hindsight, I shouldn't have made that comment because you end up getting threads like these accusing you of lying which annoys me. 

[cannable]

Why, as a fan base, can we not just take things at face value? It's never footballing reasons. Shackell definitely pounded Steve Davies' wife. It's got nothing to do with the fact that Clough want us to pass it out from the back and Shackell struggles with this.

Paul Clement was definitely plowing Chris Martin's wife's bean field - definitely not that he was changing the face of the squad.

Did anybody see the kerfuffle on Twitter about Assombalonga? Not one credible source linked us to him but fan generated hysteria resulted in everybody convinced we were getting him! It's not surprise the McClaren thing snowballed into the big massive mess it did.

I haven't seen or heard of any cliques or divisions. The players Clough left behind were all close knit - this was often stated. I'm not aware of any problems with the new signings integrating. Ince and Johnson were at Johnny Russell's wedding. Hendrick lived with Thorne and Christie. The players regularly socialised - they had a fancy dress due - Andi Weimann dressed as a Teletubbie.

[G STAR RAM]

3 minutes ago, McLovin said:

I said rumours because the information may or may not be 100% correct. You never know if information is 100% factual unless you have seen it first hand yourself. If I wanted attention I would have made a thread like you have right now and explicitly stated those who are not giving their all. There is a reason why I didn't respond to the replies, not yours as I honestly never saw you questioning it, but other people's.It was in the heat of the moment after watching the performance against Burton, we all say things we regret in the heat of the moment. In hindsight, I shouldn't have made that comment because you end up getting threads like these accusing you of lying which annoys me. 

Instead you chose to put the same 'rumour' in numerous threads for more to see!

I've not accused you of lying once.

Not sure why you cannot expand on what you have heard if you believe it to be reliable. SDSR seemed to have no problem putting what he has heard.

[Sexydadbod]

Just now, G STAR RAM said:

Instead you chose to put the same 'rumour' in numerous threads for more to see!

I've not accused you of lying once.

Not sure why you cannot expand on what you have heard if you believe it to be reliable. SDSR seemed to have no problem putting what he has heard.

Because there really is not a lot to expand on it. Certain players not giving their all for certain managers. Snakes was the wrong term to use but if certain players aren't always trying their hardest and are causing disruption if you like in the dressing room, the manager shouldn't be blamed, especially if it's been a reoccurring theme! The good thing is that Mel has now given Pearson the power to gradually weed out those who he believes are not suitable.  I really don't blame you for not believing me because you and other users don't, hence the sarcastic replies at the start of this thread. I wouldn't trust what anyone else says on this forum apart from a select few. I'm only passing on what I was told and the Burton game confirmed this individual's points all is not dandy lions and roses!