sage Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 This summer, presuming we don't get promoted, should we stick with our current system or move onto something new. We currently have a system of 433 with a target man who demands the ball to feet, with midfield runners pushing beyond him, wingers tucking in to shoot and full backs providing width. We know this system works very well but it is dependent on having the right type of player in each position and a back up. It could be argued that our recent travails started when we didn't replace Thorne/Eustace and Martin in February 2015 and our recent signings have muddied the waters too. So, should we jettison every player who doesn't fit the blueprint and concentrate recruitment on players who will fit the 2014 vintage 433 or go roughly with what we have and try to forge a new system that is less dependent on having players with a specific skill set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I'm not sure what alternate system would really suit the players we've brought in. To keep the system we only need to bring 2 or 3 players in, whilst getting rid of the dross. To change system we might need to throw out the trash AND bring 5 or 6 new players in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Use the SB5 Legends formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Ball to feet is fine centrally but if we aspire to play a high tempo game then wingers need to run into at lest some passes and one ball playing central defender would be nice. A 433 that can adjust into 451 sounds reasonable for this squad, with a backup of oh i don't know, something similar perhaps? i like a high tempo fluid game, mixing it up with large emphasis on mentality and just a pinch of salt, how about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, ramit said: Ball to feet is fine centrally but if we aspire to play a high tempo game then wingers need to run into at lest some passes and one ball playing central defender would be nice. A 433 that can adjust into 451 sounds reasonable for this squad, with a backup of oh i don't know, something similar perhaps? i like a high tempo fluid game, mixing it up with large emphasis on mentality and just a pinch of salt, how about you? I will take that as a stick with more from our wingers and no Shackell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We'll be back in 81 Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 I would like to see us go with a diamond midfield making the best use of players like Will Hughes and Tom Ince. Some of our midfielders and strikers struggle playing out wide, not surprising really as they are not wingers. This would mean having two good wing backs to make this system work. It would also enable us to play two strikers. We could also change back to a 4-4-2 by having a proper winger (Camara) on the bench as a plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 14 minutes ago, sage said: I will take that as a stick with more from our wingers and no Shackell. If Keogh can do it, fine, otherwise swap him or Shackell for Buxton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 53 minutes ago, ramit said: If Keogh can do it, fine, otherwise swap him or Shackell for Buxton. I think both CBs and the DCM need to be able to pass well and quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North East Ram Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 When Hughes is fit and back playing then he is the first on the team sheet. Best player we've had in years. The rest need to fit around him somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 2 hours ago, sage said: This summer, presuming we don't get promoted, should we stick with our current system or move onto something new. We currently have a system of 433 with a target man who demands the ball to feet, with midfield runners pushing beyond him, wingers tucking in to shoot and full backs providing width. We know this system works very well but it is dependent on having the right type of player in each position and a back up. It could be argued that our recent travails started when we didn't replace Thorne/Eustace and Martin in February 2015 and our recent signings have muddied the waters too. So, should we jettison every player who doesn't fit the blueprint and concentrate recruitment on players who will fit the 2014 vintage 433 or go roughly with what we have and try to forge a new system that is less dependent on having players with a specific skill set? Thought that was what Clement was doing He tried 3 different systems pre season didn't he. Wasn't allowed to complete the job as he got sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeadlySaul Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, curtains said: Thought that was what Clement was doing He tried 3 different systems pre season didn't he. Wasn't allowed to complete the job as he got sacked. Clement ended up using 4-3-3 for most of our games as it was the only one of his systems he could get working. Every time he tried to play another one it wouldn't work well (drawing against Reading and Bolton and losing to Porstmouth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, TheDeadlySaul said: Clement ended up using 4-3-3 for most of our games as it was the only one of his systems he could get working. Every time he tried to play another one it wouldn't work well (drawing against Reading and Bolton and losing to Porstmouth). What system did we play when we beat Bristol City 4-0 with an Ince Hat trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeadlySaul Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, curtains said: What system did we play when we beat Bristol City 4-0 with an Ince Hat trick. What system did we play for the majority of our unbeaten run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, TheDeadlySaul said: What system did we play for the majority of our unbeaten run? 4-3-3 i believe . OP is asking should we change it or stick with it . Not easy to change as Clement found out and he got sacked Could Wassall change it easily ! I doubt it so my answer is STICK with 4-3-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeadlySaul Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Just now, curtains said: 4-3-3 i believe . OP is asking should we change it or stick with it . Not easy to change as Clement found out and he got sacked Could Wassall change it easily ! I thought you were saying that Clement didn't have enough time to change the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, TheDeadlySaul said: I thought you were saying that Clement didn't have enough time to change the system. That's an old argument really . Im just saying Clement tried 3 systems but then went back to 4-3-3 and I'm not sure it could be easily changed at Derby and I wouldn't want another wholesale player revolution again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Surprised that @curtains would make it into a thread called 'stick or twist'. I'd have thought his speciality area would have been 'draw or fold' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmo Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Stick, too hard to read otherwise without glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 31 minutes ago, curtains said: That's an old argument really . Im just saying Clement tried 3 systems but then went back to 4-3-3 and I'm not sure it could be easily changed at Derby and I wouldn't want another wholesale player revolution again. Clement did change it to a degree, he felt it was too open. theres no doubt in my mind when Johnson arrived he was told to play in the 4-3-3 we now know, ie as high up as Butterfield, and as time drew on, he asked him to sit deeper almost alongside Thorne. Johnson didnt get forward at all after the Forest away game onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Stick...but it's got to be up to the new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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