iPro patience

[Alph]

People do need to realise that a match is 90+ too. You don't get any more points for winning in 20mins. It only took an hour in the end anyway.

It made me think of the Anthony Joshua boxing on Saturday. 

Everyone expected Joshua to knock Dillian Whyte out in the first 4 rounds. The hunger for him to do it. Even Joshua was hungry for it. Nearly ended up on his arse himself in Round 2. As soon as he composes himself and gets back to being the relentless nasty clinical brilliance he is.. fight over in 4 rounds from that point. 

Think we all get really frustrated when it's not all happening. There's always that worry that we get caught once and then face an even more stubborn defence. But recent history shows us that we find a way through more often than not. When we are stuck, that's when we could do with firing the game up ourselves. 

You can't always kill teams in 20, 45 or even 80 minutes. Just like you can't win the league in September (yet people will still meltdown every year. "We'll never catch Brighton!") 

Think last night we actually didn't play that great. But the intention was there just by the way we did things. Not like Wednesday away where it's was all a bit casual and arrogant. No need for the frustration last night imo

[trevor1946]

Ramsbottom ,Discussing our club,and playing style s,is what forums do.

But to try and judge a team that is one of the big spenders in the current season,with a team built with a tight budget.

And have a dig at a,former manager ,who may i, add many ram fans have a respect for is cheap and silly.

And we have moved forward as a club ,because of heavy investment ,So to people with out a axe to grind,

it is not a equal playing field

3 hours ago, ramsbottom said:

I think a lot of the problem stems from the fact most of our fans have been schooled in the blood & thunder, English way of playing.  Far too many years watching Stevie G on MOTD covering every blade of glass and launching Hollywood balls as quickly as possible to the front men.  PC doesn't want us to play that way, we're a bit more continental, the first rule is keep the ball and be patient.  Schteve couldn't find a happy balance between the frenetic pace we played at when he first came in and how we play now, he tried but couldn't.  Whereas PC can...

No it's not quite as exciting, as before but different managers will bring different ideas.  Much rather this than the survival ball we had under Nigel...

 

 

[Ewe Ram]

I thought the whole atmosphere was weird last night. You could hear the players talking to each other it was so quiet at times. During one of those lapses the guy in front who was about 15 ft away from Tom Ince shouted 'come on Ince, work!!!!' Which I thought was what Ince was doing last night, and doing it very well. He would have heard that goon too  

[Srg]

1 minute ago, Ewe Ram said:

I thought the whole atmosphere was weird last night. You could hear the players talking to each other it was so quiet at times. During one of those lapses the guy in front who was about 15 ft away from Tom Ince shouted 'come on Ince, work!!!!' Which I thought was what Ince was doing last night, and doing it very well. He would have heard that goon too  

Ah, the famous myth that Tom Ince doesn't work compared to the likes of Johnny Russell. It's absolute nonsense.

[SaintRam]

Just now, Srg said:

Ah, the famous myth that Tom Ince doesn't work compared to the likes of Johnny Russell. It's absolute nonsense.

Quite right, Ince is one of our hardest working players. More tackles than anyone else last night someone pointed out at about 80 minutes, dont know if someone overtook him but people just seem to ignore that stuff.

[Day]

17 minutes ago, trevor1946 said:

Ramsbottom ,Discussing our club,and playing style s,is what forums do.

But to try and judge a team that is one of the big spenders in the current season,with a team built with a tight budget.

And have a dig at a,former manager ,who may i, add many ram fans have a respect for is cheap and silly.

And we have moved forward as a club ,because of heavy investment ,So to people with out a axe to grind,

it is not a equal playing field

But when you look at McClaren's first season here, Grant, Forsyth, Buxton, Keogh, Hughes, Hendrick, Bryson, Ward, Martin are all players Nigel had at his disposal yet the difference between the football was huge.

Add 3 players on loan Thorne, Bamford and Wisdom which can't have been on big wages at the time and we're 1 game from the Premier League

[Srg]

2 minutes ago, SaintRam said:

Quite right, Ince is one of our hardest working players. More tackles than anyone else last night someone pointed out at about 80 minutes, dont know if someone overtook him but people just seem to ignore that stuff.

Most tackles according to Who Scored.

[ramsbottom]

25 minutes ago, trevor1946 said:

Ramsbottom ,Discussing our club,and playing style s,is what forums do.

But to try and judge a team that is one of the big spenders in the current season,with a team built with a tight budget.

And have a dig at a,former manager ,who may i, add many ram fans have a respect for is cheap and silly.

And we have moved forward as a club ,because of heavy investment ,So to people with out a axe to grind,

it is not a equal playing field

 

 

I'm not saying we can't debate the club and our playing stayle, in fact, that's exactly what I'm doing.  I was merely suggesting a reason why the majority of the crowd get wound up and tense when we aren't 7-0 up at half time.

In regards to my mention of Mr N Clough, as Daveo has already pointed out, the manager who succeeded him got infinitely better performances and results from the same squad, with very little further investment.  Different managers, different styles of play, which again was my point.  Are you Jill Galoone's husband by any chance???

[trevor1946]

A lot of fans thought clough would deliver that season ,the away results had improved,and with 2 home games,coming up,Clough knew it was time to deliver,and top 6 was expected,We shall never know;

This is the 3rd season  the first 2 under Maclaren failed we were still in the championship,This season it has taken a take over costing millions,plus 25 million on new players,and a budget from 5-8 million up to 10-20 million,What we now spend on scarfs,we used for players wages,All this  to try to get to the premiership,Brilliant for the fans,

And still Grant--Forsyth-Keogh-Hendrick-Russell-Martin-Bryson-Hughes-and-Buxton-played  2 out of 3 seasons

Total cost Two and a half million,and still a important part of the present squad

 I owe a lot to clough for bringing hope back to my club,in troubled times,What direction the owners move is down to them.

Remember the 3 amigo ,s. Mel Morris is a dream ,,But the foundations,of our club is it,s history.

And Cloiugh helped to stabilize a sinking ship ,and for that he has my gratitude and respect.

And for sticking his knee into Billy Davis,OH and for beating Forest with ten men.

[StringerBell]

I don't get to go as often as I'd like due to circumstances so I'm not too sure how much moaning or lack of patience there is.

I listened to the moan in this week. Ramage said Derby fans are like that and always have been. He said the Derby fans were very different to Watford fans in their levels of expectation when he was playing, but maybe that was the difference between Vicarage Road and the BBG? I'm not sure if this is true or not.

Another caller rang in and mentioned ticket prices though, and I'd have to agree. It's simply inevitable that the more football costs the more people will consider themselves customers. There's no use in complaining about market forces, it's a nature in and of itself.

And any footballer accepting tens of thousands of pounds a week as a direct result of this might want to consider that before asking for patience. Although I totally understand the positive and negative impacts the crowd can have the players essentially want to have their cake and eat it when they say this.

 

[StringerBell]

3 hours ago, Alpha said:

People do need to realise that a match is 90+ too. You don't get any more points for winning in 20mins. It only took an hour in the end anyway.

It made me think of the Anthony Joshua boxing on Saturday. 

Everyone expected Joshua to knock Dillian Whyte out in the first 4 rounds. The hunger for him to do it. Even Joshua was hungry for it. Nearly ended up on his arse himself in Round 2. As soon as he composes himself and gets back to being the relentless nasty clinical brilliance he is.. fight over in 4 rounds from that point. 

Think we all get really frustrated when it's not all happening. There's always that worry that we get caught once and then face an even more stubborn defence. But recent history shows us that we find a way through more often than not. When we are stuck, that's when we could do with firing the game up ourselves. 

You can't always kill teams in 20, 45 or even 80 minutes. Just like you can't win the league in September (yet people will still meltdown every year. "We'll never catch Brighton!") 

Think last night we actually didn't play that great. But the intention was there just by the way we did things. Not like Wednesday away where it's was all a bit casual and arrogant. No need for the frustration last night imo

I could use a boxing analogy for my point about consumerism too. What do you often hear when a hyped boxing match lasts only a round or two? The 9 second UFC fight the other night for instance.

"I payed and stayed up until 3 in the morning for this?" And other such comments.

[Animal is a Ram]

3 points better off than at this stage last season, but similarly placed:

14/15  -  P21 W11 D5 L5 F38 A21 GD+17

1. Bournemouth       39
2. Middlesbrough     39
3. Derby                   38

15/16  -  P21 W11 D8 L2 F32 A13 GD+19

1. Middlesbrough       43
2. Brighton                 43
3. Derby                     41

Perfectly placed, imo. 

However, we live in a society where some people want everything and they want it now. Or because they've paid a lot of money they expect the best. It doesn't work like that.

I'm very happy with where we are and what we have.

[StringerBell]

6 minutes ago, AnimalisaRam said:

However, we live in a society where some people want everything and they want it now. Or because they've paid a lot of money they expect the best. It doesn't work like that.

Football might not work like that but market forces do and there's nothing that will change that. Money has changed football and the players are the ones who have benefitted. Complaining about it is pointless. All you can do is pressure and bully people into silence but is that the right way to go about things? Consumer culture is an important part of our society. I'd agree that football would be better without that culture but no player earning in one week what many people watching earn in a year are in any place to complain about it. It's sad but it's the way it is.

[Dimmu]

14 minutes ago, AnimalisaRam said:

 

However, we live in a society where some people want everything and they want it now. Or because they've paid a lot of money they expect the best. It doesn't work like that.

So you're saying that league cannot be won in August?

Not even if you really, really wanted it to happen?

[Animal is a Ram]

8 minutes ago, StringerBell said:

Football might not work like that but market forces do and there's nothing that will change that. Money has changed football and the players are the ones who have benefitted. Complaining about it is pointless. All you can do is pressure and bully people into silence but is that the right way to go about things? Consumer culture is an important part of our society. I'd agree that football would be better without that culture but no player earning in one week what many people watching earn in a year are in any place to complain about it. It's sad but it's the way it is.

Works for material goods, but you can't just expect more from football just because you pay more for it.

People can't complain they're being abused in the workplace because they're being paid more than the abusers? 

[Animal is a Ram]

6 minutes ago, Dimmu said:

So you're saying that league cannot be won in August?

Not even if you really, really wanted it to happen?

Not unless you play in red and go under the name of a group of trees

[StringerBell]

2 minutes ago, AnimalisaRam said:

Works for material goods, but you can't just expect more from football just because you pay more for it.

People can't complain they're being abused in the workplace because they're being paid more than the abusers? 

Abuse? Things that happen in a football ground don't seem to tally with behaviour in real life. But that hit on our bank balance is felt long after the match is finished for a lot of people. 

If footballers want to complain about 'abuse in the workplace', if they really want to go down that road then they should accept being escorted from the pitch in handcuffs considering some of the assaults they get away with. What happened on Twitter with Keogh was too much. But this isn't even about that, it's about fans getting on the players backs after getting frustrated.

Do opposition fans get to file harassment charges when they're 'abused'. Do we need to not call the referee a ****** anymore? Abuse! pfft.

[StringerBell]

18 minutes ago, AnimalisaRam said:

Works for material goods, but you can't just expect more from football just because you pay more for it.

People can't complain they're being abused in the workplace because they're being paid more than the abusers? 

And it doesn't just work for material goods. If someone takes their kids and someone else's kids to see Star Wars Episode 4: The Force Awakens and its total gash then they're probably going to be a bit more miffed than they would be if they saw a gash film on the telly that they hadn't payed for.

[Animal is a Ram]

14 minutes ago, StringerBell said:

Abuse? Things that happen in a football ground don't seem to tally with behaviour in real life. But that hit on our bank balance is felt long after the match is finished for a lot of people. 

If footballers want to complain about 'abuse in the workplace', if they really want to go down that road then they should accept being escorted from the pitch in handcuffs considering some of the assaults they get away with. What happened on Twitter with Keogh was too much. But this isn't even about that, it's about fans getting on the players backs after getting frustrated.

Do opposition fans get to file harassment charges when they're 'abused'. Do we need to not call the referee a ****** anymore? Abuse! pfft.

So you'd accept being called all the names under the sun by a customer/client, just because they're earning more than you?

Also, if you don't like the price of something, don't pay it. That's the real problem for the 'consumer culture', people that complain about the prices but still pay it. If it's non-essential (i.e. football), then vote with your wallet. I love DCFC, but if it comes to the point where I feel its too expensive, or I'm not getting my money's worth, then I won't pay.

[StringerBell]

3 minutes ago, AnimalisaRam said:

So you'd accept being called all the names under the sun by a customer/client, just because they're earning more than you?

Also, if you don't like the price of something, don't pay it. That's the real problem for the 'consumer culture', people that complain about the prices but still pay it. If it's non-essential (i.e. football), then vote with your wallet. I love DCFC, but if it comes to the point where I feel its too expensive, or I'm not getting my money's worth, then I won't pay.

No if I was earning more then them I might. I certainly would if I was a footballer. Are you aware of football culture? You know there's a lot of swearing?

Some people are staying away. I know of a bloke who supports West Brom but he goes to watch Bradford on a Saturday instead. Why? Because West Brom are a bit gash for the league they're in and you can take your whole family to watch Bradford for a tenner and have a lot more fun.

Or alternatively you can contact the players complaints department. Oh, hang on there isn't one. Shouting 'abuse' it is then.