Cisse Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I think we need a really good CB still to be able to fight for the promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigosLeftPeg Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Agreed - and maybe a winger. According to the Sunday Telgraph the Thorne deal concluded at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanRam Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I agree.We really need a solid CB imo even if that is solved by loan.I am not really that worried overall by our scoring,I just still have concerns about defense.In SM we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 Any good defenders in League 1 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 CB who can cover right back and Winger for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 A utility defender who can cover CB and RB and a winger to take us up to 4 so we can change both per game in like for like switches if our system is working (much like last year). I would be happy with Bennett playing this role however I think its clear that both he and Mac feel he needs a loan spell for guaranteed minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Any good defenders in League 1 ? There was, but Cyrus Christie moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I think we need a really good CB still to be able to fight for the promotion.I've heard of a pair that'd available for the Carlisle game. They're names are Keogh and Buxton, I heard good things, made a good back pairing in a promotion push last season from all reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Agreed - and maybe a winger. According to the Sunday Telgraph the Thorne deal concluded at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That pair also got bullied for the majority of the game by that well-known hitman Alex Revell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That pair also got bullied for the majority of the game by that well-known hitman Alex Revell.One game, at the start of the season, with Buxton having an injury cloud over him and Keogh needing a bit of a confidence boost.Odd things happen on first games, they are still very good players and it would be unfair to replace either of them at this point. We probably need a bit more depth there, but outright replacing either, particularly Keogh, would be bizarre and only serve to destroy what confidence he has left. Keogh has been a good for us, and there's no need to get overly emotional about how last season ended. He needs his confidence back and when he gets it (a clean sheet on opening day would have done wonders), he'll be the asset he always was.Speaking of which, fun fact: That clean sheet was our first opening day clean sheet in 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 1 in that'd be CB or winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I don't think it's a case with either. Most will know I wasn't happy with Buxton (yes, blasphemy) for quite a part of last season, and we all know a number of fans were not happy with Keogh both at the start and the end of the season (I was not one of those). I just think we can do better than both of them, and if we can, then we should look to do that - not just settle. That's not saying I don't rate either of them, as they clearly like playing together and do a decent job. But far too many times we look all over the place from balls into our box. That, admittedly, could be as much the fullbacks and/or midfield's fault but unfortunately, the blame tends to land at the feet of the centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Considering Buxton hadn't trained for two weeks, and a lot of pressure on Keogh after Wembley and some uncertain preseason performances, I thought it was a pretty solid performance, if not spectacular. Just the confidence boost everybody needed, but none more so than Keogh. I wouldn't be surprised to see Whitbread start vs. Carlisle while we hunt for another prem loan CB. Another winger please, we sorely lacked width on Saturday, while I like both Russell and Dawkins, they can't play together when they both like to cut inside, especially when teams will inevitably come to frustrate us and nick a goal. Rotherham just packed the centre of the pitch and it was all too comfortable for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I don't think it's a case with either. Most will know I wasn't happy with Buxton (yes, blasphemy) for quite a part of last season, and we all know a number of fans were not happy with Keogh both at the start and the end of the season (I was not one of those). I just think we can do better than both of them, and if we can, then we should look to do that - not just settle. That's not saying I don't rate either of them, as they clearly like playing together and do a decent job. But far too many times we look all over the place from balls into our box. That, admittedly, could be as much the fullbacks and/or midfield's fault but unfortunately, the blame tends to land at the feet of the centre backs. That's not a problem - we all make mistakes. I used to believe in Santa Claus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 I've heard of a pair that'd available for the Carlisle game. They're names are Keogh and Buxton, I heard good things, made a good back pairing in a promotion push last season from all reports. I want better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TringRam Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I want better. Would tend to agree with this. I love the honesty, endeavour and spirit with which Keogh and Bucko play week in week out and no doubting they are good footballers - to a point. We shipped more goals then any of the top 6 sides last time around and I can't see what's improved for this season, so on that basis we will need better quality to go one better this time around. It might be that as a team we defend better this season and maybe Grant will stop a few more also improving our overall goals against tally. For now though I'm still not convinced that we have the rock solid central defence, or at least the defensive options, that we need for automatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Would tend to agree with this. I love the honesty, endeavour and spirit with which Keogh and Bucko play week in week out and no doubting they are good footballers - to a point. We shipped more goals then any of the top 6 sides last time around and I can't see what's improved for this season, so on that basis we will need better quality to go one better this time around. It might be that as a team we defend better this season and maybe Grant will stop a few more also improving our overall goals against tally. For now though I'm still not convinced that we have the rock solid central defence, or at least the defensive options, that we need for automatics.4 tables say a very different story:Championship table since McClaren took over:1 Leicester City 2.192 Derby County 2.033 Burnley 1.944 Brighton and Hove A 1.645 Wigan Athletic 1.636 Queens Park Rangers 1.547 Blackburn Rovers 1.538 Middlesbrough 1.539 Bolton Wanderers 1.5010 Ipswich Town 1.5011 Bournemouth 1.4712 Reading 1.4413 Sheffield Wednesday 1.3014 Nottingham Forest 1.2815 Charlton Athletic 1.2216 Leeds United 1.1917 Watford 1.1718 Huddersfield Town 1.0819 Millwall 1.0320 Doncaster Rovers 0.9521 Barnsley 0.9422 Birmingham City 0.9423 Yeovil Town 0.8924 Blackpool 0.75Goals scored per game since McClaren took over:1 Derby County 1.832 Leicester City 1.833 Reading 1.564 Blackburn Rovers 1.505 Bournemouth 1.506 Watford 1.507 Burnley 1.478 Sheffield Wednesday 1.469 Bolton Wanderers 1.4410 Nottingham Forest 1.4211 Leeds United 1.3912 Middlesbrough 1.3613 Queens Park Rangers 1.3514 Wigan Athletic 1.2915 Birmingham City 1.2816 Huddersfield Town 1.2817 Brighton and Hove A 1.2518 Ipswich Town 1.1919 Yeovil Town 1.0820 Millwall 1.0021 Barnsley 0.9222 Charlton Athletic 0.8923 Doncaster Rovers 0.8124 Blackpool 0.69Finally, the key here, goals conceded per game since McClaren took over:1 Brighton and Hove A 0.862 Burnley 0.863 Leicester City 0.924 Middlesbrough 0.925 Derby County 0.976 Wigan Athletic 1.037 Ipswich Town 1.118 Queens Park Rangers 1.149 Bolton Wanderers 1.1910 Bournemouth 1.2211 Charlton Athletic 1.2712 Reading 1.3313 Sheffield Wednesday 1.3514 Blackburn Rovers 1.4215 Barnsley 1.4416 Nottingham Forest 1.5017 Watford 1.5018 Millwall 1.5619 Doncaster Rovers 1.5720 Blackpool 1.5821 Huddersfield Town 1.5822 Leeds United 1.5823 Birmingham City 1.6924 Yeovil Town 1.69Which gives the combined as:1 Leicester City 0.922 Derby County 0.863 Burnley 0.614 Middlesbrough 0.445 Brighton and Hove A 0.396 Bournemouth 0.287 Wigan Athletic 0.268 Bolton Wanderers 0.259 Reading 0.2210 Queens Park Rangers 0.2211 Sheffield Wednesday 0.1112 Blackburn Rovers 0.0813 Ipswich Town 0.0814 Watford 0.0015 Nottingham Forest -0.0816 Leeds United -0.1917 Huddersfield Town -0.3118 Charlton Athletic -0.3819 Birmingham City -0.4220 Barnsley -0.5321 Millwall -0.5622 Yeovil Town -0.6123 Doncaster Rovers -0.7624 Blackpool -0.89Which tells the real story. With the attacking style of the side in mind (which clearly got results under McClaren, as shown by being 2nd on points per game since he took over) that being 5th for goals conceded per game isn't really that big a deal. Consider the following: The difference between ourselves in 5th for the goals conceded per game and Brighton atop the list, where we saw a difference of 0.11 goals per game conceded, which across a season is about 5 goals. Then consider the gap of 0.25 goal difference per game between us and Burnley on the last table, which is around 11-12 goals across a season, that tells the really story of where we were at.Yes, we could tighten up at the back at times, but a lot of the situation is around how we play our football, not just how good the defense is. They did their job last season, and to complain that they "weren't good enough" is ridiculous when they clearly were good enough for 36 games under McClaren last season.Yes, signing players is exciting, but there's no point throwing the baby out with the bathwater here. Our centrehalf pairing know eachother well, and both have shown their quality over a number of seasons at this level, one of whom is our captain, who is still seemingly struggling a bit for confidence. Once he's got it all back I'm sure he'll be great again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 was hoping for someone like richard dunne. Wont happen though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TringRam Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 4 tables say a very different story:Championship table since McClaren took over:1 Leicester City 2.192 Derby County 2.033 Burnley 1.944 Brighton and Hove A 1.645 Wigan Athletic 1.636 Queens Park Rangers 1.547 Blackburn Rovers 1.538 Middlesbrough 1.539 Bolton Wanderers 1.5010 Ipswich Town 1.5011 Bournemouth 1.4712 Reading 1.4413 Sheffield Wednesday 1.3014 Nottingham Forest 1.2815 Charlton Athletic 1.2216 Leeds United 1.1917 Watford 1.1718 Huddersfield Town 1.0819 Millwall 1.0320 Doncaster Rovers 0.9521 Barnsley 0.9422 Birmingham City 0.9423 Yeovil Town 0.8924 Blackpool 0.75Goals scored per game since McClaren took over:1 Derby County 1.832 Leicester City 1.833 Reading 1.564 Blackburn Rovers 1.505 Bournemouth 1.506 Watford 1.507 Burnley 1.478 Sheffield Wednesday 1.469 Bolton Wanderers 1.4410 Nottingham Forest 1.4211 Leeds United 1.3912 Middlesbrough 1.3613 Queens Park Rangers 1.3514 Wigan Athletic 1.2915 Birmingham City 1.2816 Huddersfield Town 1.2817 Brighton and Hove A 1.2518 Ipswich Town 1.1919 Yeovil Town 1.0820 Millwall 1.0021 Barnsley 0.9222 Charlton Athletic 0.8923 Doncaster Rovers 0.8124 Blackpool 0.69Finally, the key here, goals conceded per game since McClaren took over:1 Brighton and Hove A 0.862 Burnley 0.863 Leicester City 0.924 Middlesbrough 0.925 Derby County 0.976 Wigan Athletic 1.037 Ipswich Town 1.118 Queens Park Rangers 1.149 Bolton Wanderers 1.1910 Bournemouth 1.2211 Charlton Athletic 1.2712 Reading 1.3313 Sheffield Wednesday 1.3514 Blackburn Rovers 1.4215 Barnsley 1.4416 Nottingham Forest 1.5017 Watford 1.5018 Millwall 1.5619 Doncaster Rovers 1.5720 Blackpool 1.5821 Huddersfield Town 1.5822 Leeds United 1.5823 Birmingham City 1.6924 Yeovil Town 1.69Which gives the combined as:1 Leicester City 0.922 Derby County 0.863 Burnley 0.614 Middlesbrough 0.445 Brighton and Hove A 0.396 Bournemouth 0.287 Wigan Athletic 0.268 Bolton Wanderers 0.259 Reading 0.2210 Queens Park Rangers 0.2211 Sheffield Wednesday 0.1112 Blackburn Rovers 0.0813 Ipswich Town 0.0814 Watford 0.0015 Nottingham Forest -0.0816 Leeds United -0.1917 Huddersfield Town -0.3118 Charlton Athletic -0.3819 Birmingham City -0.4220 Barnsley -0.5321 Millwall -0.5622 Yeovil Town -0.6123 Doncaster Rovers -0.7624 Blackpool -0.89Which tells the real story. With the attacking style of the side in mind (which clearly got results under McClaren, as shown by being 2nd on points per game since he took over) that being 5th for goals conceded per game isn't really that big a deal. Consider the following: The difference between ourselves in 5th for the goals conceded per game and Brighton atop the list, where we saw a difference of 0.11 goals per game conceded, which across a season is about 5 goals. Then consider the gap of 0.25 goal difference per game between us and Burnley on the last table, which is around 11-12 goals across a season, that tells the really story of where we were at.Yes, we could tighten up at the back at times, but a lot of the situation is around how we play our football, not just how good the defense is. They did their job last season, and to complain that they "weren't good enough" is ridiculous when they clearly were good enough for 36 games under McClaren last season.Yes, signing players is exciting, but there's no point throwing the baby out with the bathwater here. Our centrehalf pairing know eachother well, and both have shown their quality over a number of seasons at this level, one of whom is our captain, who is still seemingly struggling a bit for confidence. Once he's got it all back I'm sure he'll be great again. Thanks for the stats Albert - honestly, I do enjoy them. I guess my point is that whilst I agree that both have served us well and are good Championship defenders, I can't help but feel we still need a little more in that department. Put another way, if we reach the promised land then most of our first team would be comfortable and good enough to play at that level - certainly midfield, (some) of the strikers/ wide players and the goalie. But the centre backs? No way IMO. So we have premiership quality elsewhere and I believe we may need that now at CB to achieve the aim of promotion. Baby out with the bath water? No. A premiership loan to help us be that little bit tougher? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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