Racism Row

[blackNwhites]

yes massa?

No.

Just trying to help with the flow of the topic by making the distinction between British and American culture.

[needles]

I don't believe that chairmen trying to get success for their clubs and looking for a custodian of £millions of their money are going to pick a manager based on anything other than perceived ability. If they are racially prejudiced, on average they'll do worse than normal people and over time the prejudice will drop out. IMO.

 

Talking about race all the time just prolongs the time that takes by keeping the issue alive. I sat near a family at a bar yesterday where the bloke said "I don't see many more brown faces around here". Now if he is instinctively defining himself by the colour of his skin, he isn't helping. I wonder how I'd react in a bar full of rastas? I'd notice alright, but I wouldn't say out loud, "Not many white lads in here". How would it go down if I did? All questions and no comfortable answers, but I reckon ignore race as much as possible and it will go away, as it's a made up issue anyway.

[McRamFan]

Rastafarian is a religon, not a race.

 

I have seen racism and religionism all my life, whilst I grew up I lived in a street where all the other kids where English and went to the local CofE school, I had Irish parents and went to the catholic school.  The abuse I got was constant and daily, it was also prevelent in the 70's.  We normally spent the summer in Ireland however went to Skeggy as their was a fuel crisis.  The first BnB refused to let us stay as my parents are Irish.

 

Humans are territorial and this breeds racism, just look at football fans, isn't that just racism in disguise when fans 'hate' other fans? 

[RamNut]

There are no women managers either.

Thank ****.

[Boycie]

Are there many welsh managers?

Mark Hughes?

[Wolfie20]

Are there many welsh managers?

Mark Hughes?

Tony Pullis

[Boycie]

Apart from them

[blackNwhites]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27074317

 

Manchester City and Ivory Coast midfielder Yaya Toure thinks he is not regarded as one of the best players in the world because he is from Africa.

Toure, 30, has 22 goals this season, helping City to win the League Cup and challenge for the Premier League title.

Samir Nasri recently said Toure would be celebrated  as one of the world's best midfielders were he not African.

In an interview for Football Focus on BBC World News, he said: "I think what Samir was saying was definitely true."

The midfielder has won league titles in four countries - Ivory Coast, Greece, Spain and England - and was part of the Barcelona team that won the Champions League in 2009.

He also feels fellow countryman Didier Drogba and Cameroon's Samuel Eto'o are undervalued because they are African.

"To be honest, proper recognition has only come from the fans," said the three-time African player of the year. "I don't want to be hard and I don't want to be negative, but I want to be honest."

Toure feels the media should do more to promote African players.

"If we play well and we don't have the recognition from the media, we are not going to be where we want to be," he said.

Toure also feels African players need to do far more to stand out, drawing comparisons with Barcelona duo Andres Iniesta and Xavi, both former team-mates of his.

He says Iniesta and Xavi are often praised for their attacking skills, but rarely singled out for criticism when they fail to defend properly.

In contrast, Toure claims he is regularly picked on by the media when he makes a defensive mistake.

The Ivorian is also unhappy that Lionel Messi, widely regarded as one of the best players in the world along with Cristiano Ronaldo, is recognised around the world but players like himself are not.

He said: "If you go to any part of Africa now, people will say, 'yes, we know him [Messi]', but when you come to Europe and say 'Yaya Toure' people will say, 'who is that?' Some will say they know my name but not know my face. But they will know Messi's face."

Toure, who played in Belgium, Ukraine, Greece, France and Spain before moving to England, says he will be disappointed if he is not named player of the year by the Professional Footballers' Association.

He is one of six players on the shortlist, alongside Chelsea's Eden Hazard, Southampton's Adam Lallana and the Liverpool trio of Luis Suarez, Steven Gerrard and Daniel Sturridge.

Asked if he would be unhappy not to win the award, Toure replied: "Definitely. As a champion, as a winner, I always want to win."

Asked to reflect on the fact there has only been one African winner of the Ballon d'Or - former AC Milan and Liberia striker George Weah in 1995 - Toure cited the significant contributions made by players such as fellow Africans Eto'o and Drogba at club level.

"Those players are more than legends for me and Africa," said Toure.

Asked if he knew if players such as Eto'o and Drogba also felt under-appreciated, the former Barcelona player replied: "Definitely."

He added: "I am very proud to be African, I want to defend African people and I want to show to the world that African players can be as good as the Europeans and South Americans."

[blackNwhites]

I've been thinking about this on occasion lately, and the more I see people get pissed off with this sort of thing the better. I mean, I'm sick of hearing about it as well but maybe for different reasons? 

[Alph]

I've been thinking about this on occasion lately, and the more I see people get pissed off with this sort of thing the better. I mean, I'm sick of hearing about it as well but maybe for different reasons?

What do you mean mate? I don't follow

[Alph]

"Manchester City and Ivory Coast midfielder Yaya Toure thinks he is not regarded as one of the best players in the world because he is from Africa."

Erm... He is regarded as one of the best in the world.

Stupid

[Boycie]

Some guys just crave smoke being blown up their arses.

[Dimmu]

Mates of Sol Campbell?

[Dimmu]

And best midfielder in the world IMO

[ladyram]

Colour, creed, gay, straight. Who cares? He's a person just like all of us. And rather good at what he does, always a bonus.

[Cisse]

I wish that fat people would start a bloody huey and cry about how they are treated. They are treated like garbage by employers, doctors, passers by and so on. Don't see anyone skinny making noise for them either. You can call someone a fatso and people around keep snickering but say a N word and you are the scum of the earth. So you can call one group whatever but don't offend some other group.

And this isn't against any colour or nationality. There just are some people you can laugh at and it is accepted while others are free gain.

[RamNut]

I wish that fat people would start a bloody huey and cry about how they are treated. They are treated like garbage by employers, doctors, passers by and so on. Don't see anyone skinny making noise for them either. You can call someone a fatso and people around keep snickering but say a N word and you are the scum of the earth. So you can call one group whatever but don't offend some other group.

And this isn't against any colour or nationality. There just are some people you can laugh at and it is accepted while others are free gain.

And veggies

[RamNut]

And jehovah's witnesses

[bcnram]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27074317

 

Manchester City and Ivory Coast midfielder Yaya Toure thinks he is not regarded as one of the best players in the world because he is from Africa.

Toure, 30, has 22 goals this season, helping City to win the League Cup and challenge for the Premier League title.

Samir Nasri recently said Toure would be celebrated  as one of the world's best midfielders were he not African.

In an interview for Football Focus on BBC World News, he said: "I think what Samir was saying was definitely true."

The midfielder has won league titles in four countries - Ivory Coast, Greece, Spain and England - and was part of the Barcelona team that won the Champions League in 2009.

He also feels fellow countryman Didier Drogba and Cameroon's Samuel Eto'o are undervalued because they are African.

"To be honest, proper recognition has only come from the fans," said the three-time African player of the year. "I don't want to be hard and I don't want to be negative, but I want to be honest."

Toure feels the media should do more to promote African players.

"If we play well and we don't have the recognition from the media, we are not going to be where we want to be," he said.

Toure also feels African players need to do far more to stand out, drawing comparisons with Barcelona duo Andres Iniesta and Xavi, both former team-mates of his.

He says Iniesta and Xavi are often praised for their attacking skills, but rarely singled out for criticism when they fail to defend properly.

In contrast, Toure claims he is regularly picked on by the media when he makes a defensive mistake.

The Ivorian is also unhappy that Lionel Messi, widely regarded as one of the best players in the world along with Cristiano Ronaldo, is recognised around the world but players like himself are not.

He said: "If you go to any part of Africa now, people will say, 'yes, we know him [Messi]', but when you come to Europe and say 'Yaya Toure' people will say, 'who is that?' Some will say they know my name but not know my face. But they will know Messi's face."

Toure, who played in Belgium, Ukraine, Greece, France and Spain before moving to England, says he will be disappointed if he is not named player of the year by the Professional Footballers' Association.

He is one of six players on the shortlist, alongside Chelsea's Eden Hazard, Southampton's Adam Lallana and the Liverpool trio of Luis Suarez, Steven Gerrard and Daniel Sturridge.

Asked if he would be unhappy not to win the award, Toure replied: "Definitely. As a champion, as a winner, I always want to win."

Asked to reflect on the fact there has only been one African winner of the Ballon d'Or - former AC Milan and Liberia striker George Weah in 1995 - Toure cited the significant contributions made by players such as fellow Africans Eto'o and Drogba at club level.

"Those players are more than legends for me and Africa," said Toure.

Asked if he knew if players such as Eto'o and Drogba also felt under-appreciated, the former Barcelona player replied: "Definitely."

He added: "I am very proud to be African, I want to defend African people and I want to show to the world that African players can be as good as the Europeans and South Americans."

Pele was African - wasn't he considered the best player in the World?

[RamNut]

I wish that fat people would start a bloody huey and cry about how they are treated. They are treated like garbage by employers, doctors, passers by and so on. Don't see anyone skinny making noise for them either. You can call someone a fatso and people around keep snickering but say a N word and you are the scum of the earth. So you can call one group whatever but don't offend some other group.

And this isn't against any colour or nationality. There just are some people you can laugh at and it is accepted while others are free gain.

I worked somewhere once where the boss's wife was a well known local politician / county councillor / and now M.P.

She came in once to interview for a new secretary.

Afterwards she was proclaiming that she didn't mind people of different races or skin colour, but she couldn't abide fat people.

There was no way she would appoint candidate x because she was too fat.

Someone should have explained that obese people were ok, but we couldn't stand opinionated tory bitches.