ChaddesdenRam Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 4 year deal correct, but wages? Who knows What wage is he on? And which players wages is it large in comparison to? I was under the illusion he was the highest paid player. If that is true then obviously he will be on a wage similar to Tyson or Keogh. It would have been Barker but he took a wage drop to extend his contract by one year following the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Murray apart from one 22 goal season in League One hardly had a stellar record either. His next best were: 12 in League One 11 in League One 16 in League Two Compared with U.C.D. 2005 9 games 0 goals 2006 35 games 8 goals 2007 39 games 11 goals Derry City 2008 20 games 7 goals Kilmarnock 2008–09 20 games 3 goals 2009–10 29 games 4 goals 2010–11 27 games 18 goals Wigan Athletic 2010–11 7 games 1 goal 2011–12 27 games 0 goals Derby County 2012–13 - 39 games 8 goal Career totals 251 games 60 goals Yeah maybe not a stellar record but showed more promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I was under the illusion he was the highest paid player. If that is true then obviously he will be on a wage similar to Tyson or Keogh. It would have been Barker but he took a wage drop to extend his contract by one year following the injury. do you actually have any source for this information? Its the first anyone has mentioned Barker taking a drop its not FM is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 do you actually have any source for this information? Its the first anyone has mentioned Barker taking a drop its not FM is it? No, that's why i said i was under the illusion. It was simply what I had heard and thought everyone had accepted it. Obviously i was wrong to accept. Sammon is likely to be a high paid player but obviously nobody knows for sure. Its the same with Tyson is he actually one of our highest paid players no body can prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbiean Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 do you actually have any source for this information? Its the first anyone has mentioned Barker taking a drop its not FM is it? FM reckons he's on 15k a week Really hope thats not true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 FM reckons he's on 15k a week Really hope thats not true its not FM is it? Don't worry guys I learnt my lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Compared with U.C.D. 2005 9 games 0 goals 2006 35 games 8 goals 2007 39 games 11 goals Derry City 2008 20 games 7 goals Kilmarnock 2008–09 20 games 3 goals 2009–10 29 games 4 goals 2010–11 27 games 18 goals Wigan Athletic 2010–11 7 games 1 goal 2011–12 27 games 0 goals Derby County 2012–13 - 39 games 8 goal Career totals 251 games 60 goals Yeah maybe not a stellar record but showed more promise. MIght be fairer if you only concentrated on his professional career Wilko. To rack up his University College Dublin stats when they're an amateur team is a little bit unfair. Why stop there. couldn't you find his sunday league stats? In Murrays case the first time he had any kind of decent season was at Rochdale in LEAGUE TWO when he was 25 years old. Up until that point he'd done nothing of note whatsoever at either Carlise or Stockport. Conor I think is still only 24 and playing at a higher level than Murray managed at that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 MIght be fairer if you only concentrated on his professional career Wilko. To rack up his University College Dublin stats when they're an amateur team is a little bit unfair. Why stop there. couldn't you find his sunday league stats? In Murrays case the first time he had any kind of decent season was at Rochdale in LEAGUE TWO when he was 25 years old. Up until that point he'd done nothing of note whatsoever at either Carlise or Stockport. Conor I think is still only 24 and playing at a higher level than Murray managed at that age. He's 26 and UCD play in the Irish Premier - I think his stats probably deserve mentioning at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastKentRam Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 MIght be fairer if you only concentrated on his professional career Wilko. To rack up his University College Dublin stats when they're an amateur team is a little bit unfair. Why stop there. couldn't you find his sunday league stats? In Murrays case the first time he had any kind of decent season was at Rochdale in LEAGUE TWO when he was 25 years old. Up until that point he'd done nothing of note whatsoever at either Carlise or Stockport. Conor I think is still only 24 and playing at a higher level than Murray managed at that age. Difference is though, Murray has got quality ball control and can actually hold the ball up. Even if Murray isnt scoring he's an asset to the side cos how he brings others into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inter politics Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Good play to get the freekick which lead to the goal. His overall play wasn't great, which is hardly surprising considering the amount of ****** who have judged him harshly in previous games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 He's 26 and UCD play in the Irish Premier - I think his stats probably deserve mentioning at that level. I tried to edit the age when I saw I got it wrong but it was too late. As someone who likes others to be careful and realistic with facts and figures it was a poor mistake. I might be completely wrong here and it shows my lack of knowledge of the Irish game but would he have been on a full time professional contract in Ireland? Would you benchmark the Irish PL at league two or above standard? I'm not disagreeing totally on including his stats at that level but feel if they're going to be included that for direct comparison Glen Murrays stats and the level he was playing at as an 18, 19 and 20,21,22,23 should be up as well. Do we count part time Workington Reds who play in blue square north where he scored for fun (23 in 45) and who he played for as an 18/19 year old and do we count Wilmington Hammerheads a US based franchise team, he was there aged 20. 3 in 14. Or should we start at his first professional club which was Carlise when he was 21. His goal record there was 5 in 47 over a three year period in league two. I'm not arguing as such I'm just trying to reinforce the point that no-one would have given Murray the time of the day as a striker until he got 21 in a season at Rochdale. That was when he turned 25. Since then he's been on fire but I bet no-one from Carlise, Stockport, Wilmington or Workington ever thought he'd be top scorer in this league. Until he was 26 years old he'd never played outside of league one. (I'm off double checking that now but it might take longer than the 5 mionute edit rule.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Can we also just take a moment to point out that it doesn't matter how much your strikers cost, or how good their scoring record is at this level – on Saturday Nugent & Wood looked no better than our strikers. Amazing the difference you see in these players when the chips are down & the team is low on confidence. Yet conversely see Billy Sharp – a name commonly thrown around by a large number of Derby fans as the "type of player we need". Forest have won 5 on the trot since Billy Davies returned. How many goals has Billy Sharp scored? Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I tried to edit the age when I saw I got it wrong but it was too late. As someone who likes others to be careful and realistic with facts and figures it was a poor mistake. I might be completely wrong here and it shows my lack of knowledge of the Irish game but would he have been on a full time professional contract in Ireland? Would you benchmark the Irish PL at league two or above standard? I'm not disagreeing totally on including his stats at that level but feel if they're going to be included that for direct comparison Glen Murrays stats and the level he was playing at as an 18, 19 and 20,21,22,23 should be up as well. Do we count part time Workington Reds who play in blue square north where he scored for fun (23 in 45) and who he played for as an 18/19 year old and do we count Wilmington Hammerheads a US based franchise team, he was there aged 20. 3 in 14. Or should we start at his first professional club which was Carlise when he was 21. His goal record there was 5 in 47 over a three year period in league two. I'm not arguing as such I'm just trying to reinforce the point that no-one would have given Murray the time of the day as a striker until he got 21 in a season at Rochdale. That was when he turned 25. Since then he's been on fire but I bet no-one from Carlise, Stockport, Wilmington or Workington ever thought he'd be top scorer in this league. Until he was 26 years old he'd never played outside of league one. (I'm off double checking that now but it might take longer than the 5 mionute edit rule.)Workington Reds were not in the Blue Square North at the time. From what I can find they were in the Northern premier League Division One at the time, the 8th tier of English football then. They have been promoted twice to the Conference North after he had left.He only got 19 in the season you're mentioning by the way, 3 for Stockport on loan and 16 for Rochdale, initially on loan. His first 20 goal haul was that season for Brighton before he signed for Crystal Palace, that is, ignoring his efforts around the 8th tier of English Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I put his scoring record up because the "Murray only got 6 in his first season for Palace" stat came up again and then when I said he showed more promise, his scoring feets prior to Palace were put up. Essentially my arguement is that he hasn't shown anything whilst he's been at Derby that makes me thing he can score enough goals, hold up play, win enough headers or control the ball sufficiently. That's only reinforced by his lack of goal scoring in his history. Whereas the flip side the arguement seems to be that he runs for 90 minutes and someone else only scored a few goals in his first season so Sammon may suddenly turn lethal after the summer. I just think that's wishful thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Sammon is gonna be lethal next season or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Oh you talking about a forum? I thought you were referring to the derby crowd forcing a player out, not discussing a players performance. I guess they were wrong then given he is no longer playing for the club? Well, people who post on forums are idiots. Oh, wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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