RamNut Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Its a poppy not a swastika or even a tricolour or a union jack. Wearing it signifies nothing other than a respectful act of remembrance for the people who died trying to protect the freedoms we take for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Its a poppy not a swastika or even a tricolour or a union jack. Wearing it signifies nothing other than a respectful act of remembrance for the people who died trying to protect the freedoms we take for granted. Agreed mate. We've probably gone off topic slightly but I personally wouldn't threaten violence against someone who doesn't wear a poppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 [url=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-f3sswBXXkGg/Tbo6vBTEgFI/AAAAAAAAAK0/vNsTfk7gv7U/s1600/27]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-f3sswBXXkGg/Tbo6vBTEgFI/AAAAAAAAAK0/vNsTfk7gv7U/s1600/27 Bless em.... 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Ok but i suppose you've also got to consider that the IRA bombed the cenotaph in Enniskillen on remembrance sunday. With their warped thinking some people choose to regard the act of wearing a simple poppy as a sign of allegiance to king and country etc. The various strategies in response therefore have a political sub-text. They are the people who choose to politicise something as simple as a respectful act of remembrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmini Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 To wear a poppy or not is always a personal choice. I wear one but I don't complain that other people don't. They may have there own way of remembering the fallen for all I know. The ones that chose to burn them etc are a disgrace. They probably have relations who fought in the World Wars to protect the future freedom. These people need better education or just locking up!!! A footballer has the freedom to choose to wear one or not and it is not my place to be critical of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AucklandRam Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Whether or not his reason's are right or wrong. Personally, I prefer people to stand up for what they believe, instead of being a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 If his reasons for not wearing one are based on hostility to the uk then he is a hypocrite for choosing to come here and take whats on offer. Anyway....the way he's playing he'll soon be going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonRam Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I thought he looked good versus Fulham when he came on and for Ireland verus Greece. Anyways the whole discussion was rather pointless as it was based on unfounded assumptions and fueled by an undercurrent of anger, hope no harm comes to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Oh yes lets hope so. People can be so mean. Now........ Dump him into the advertising hoardings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 It seems to me he's just been loyal to his family and his upbringing, which imo is just the way it should be. How many of us would do the same? It's madness to think he should somehow be physically punished for choosing not to wear one, that's just fascism, it's that what needs getting rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Totally agree. Now........ Dump him into row c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AucklandRam Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 If his reasons for not wearing one are based on hostility to the uk then he is a hypocrite for choosing to come here and take whats on offer. Anyway....the way he's playing he'll soon be going back. There's a difference between coming here for a better life, and choosing not to wear a poppy because of the way your home town was treated by the British Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 There's a difference between coming here for a better life, and choosing not to wear a poppy because of the way your home town was treated by the British Army. Dont talk daft. James mcclean was not born until april 1989, at least 17 years after the outbreak of the troubles. He is of the generation that did not know the time when internal sectarian conflict was marked by outbreaks of violence on all sides. No side has the right the claim the moral high ground, least of all those so-called nationalist republicans who betrayed the cause they supposedly represented by blowing up women, children, innocent by-standers, soft targets; even turning their violence onto their own community in a perverse mix of vigilantism and organised crime exercised under the guise of a revoltionary cause. Should someone born in 1962 hate all germans or japanese because of the events of ww2? Perhaps he should wear a poppy in remembrance of innocent victims of republican terrorism such as seargent Michael Newman. Or is he one of these people who prefers to define his identity by virtue of who he decides he hates. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisse Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 I was born in 1970 and feel very strongly about Russians and Germans doing what they did here. I have lived in an apartment at the exact spot where the house was bombed. My relatives died, lost limbs and survived in that war and I have lived with the shadow of that war my entire childhood since in hour house lived several veterans and women who kept things going while men were fighting. Can't blame McClean having feelings about what might have happened to his family before he was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AucklandRam Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Dont talk daft. James mcclean was not born until april 1989, at least 17 years after the outbreak of the troubles. He is of the generation that did not know the time when internal sectarian conflict was marked by outbreaks of violence on all sides. No side has the right the claim the moral high ground, least of all those so-called nationalist republicans who betrayed the cause they supposedly represented by blowing up women, children, innocent by-standers, soft targets; even turning their violence onto their own community in a perverse mix of vigilantism and organised crime exercised under the guise of a revoltionary cause. Should someone born in 1962 hate all germans or japanese because of the events of ww2? Perhaps he should wear a poppy in remembrance of innocent victims of republican terrorism such as seargent Michael Newman. Or is he one of these people who prefers to define his identity by virtue of who he decides he hates. Pathetic. Bloody Sunday can't be compared to a war. It was much more recent and a massacre of civilians, in which the report only came out a year ago. I'm not saying whether he was right or wrong, but I can definitely understand his decision not to wear one. He observed the silence might I add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 If his reasons for not wearing one are based on hostility to the uk then he is a hypocrite for choosing to come here and take whats on offer. Anyway....the way he's playing he'll soon be going back. Most of his wages are paid for by foreign TV companies, it's not like he's sponging off us or anything like that. I thought the heroes who died in the World War were fighting against this sort of thing, where you'd receive death threats for not wearing something "patriotic" or whatever our sign of remembrance has evolved into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It has evolved into a stick with which beat those who are different, those who don't share same view, those who don't conform, who don't fit. Outsiders. Them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 It has evolved into a stick with which beat those who are different, those who don't share same view, those who don't conform, who don't fit. Outsiders. Them. Such is a nature of humanity - anyone who isn't 'us' is 'them'. I wear a poppy as I lost a relative in WWI, but wouldn't think to force it on others, it will mean something different to some, to others very little but a mark of respect. McClean didn't kick up a fuss about not wearing it, he just chose not to - his decision should be respected, not villified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I thought the heroes who died in the World War were fighting against this sort of thing, where you'd receive death threats for not wearing something "patriotic" or whatever our sign of remembrance has evolved into. Quite so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Such is a nature of humanity - anyone who isn't 'us' is 'them'. I wear a poppy as I lost a relative in WWI, but wouldn't think to force it on others, it will mean something different to some, to others very little but a mark of respect. McClean didn't kick up a fuss about not wearing it, he just chose not to - his decision should be respected, not villified. And then had his poppyless shirt auctioned in ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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