G STAR RAM
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48 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:
IMO Southgate hasn’t been any better than Sven.
England may have got further, but IMO that is because under Sven we played better opposition in an earlier round.
They both have a common denominator. Play a top ranked side and lose.
Sven lost 4 games over 3 major tournaments - Portugal x2, France and Brazil. One being a group game.
Southgate lost 4 games over 3 major tournaments - Belgium, Croatia, Italy and France. One being a group game.
You mentioned Deschamps not having a track record. But France beat 2014 WC winners Germany in 2016, they beat Argentina and Belgium en route to the final in 18. Even before winning the WC, they at least beat some top sides.
In my mind Southgate hasn’t recorded a single win over a top 10 ranked side at the WC or Euros. You may disagree.
I think that overlooks that Sven had a team full of world class players, I don't believe Southgate has, or has ever had.
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20 minutes ago, cannable said:
Once more, with feeling; we have lots of good #10s/wingers, Rice and Kane. This is not some Uber generational England squad that should be sweeping all before it.
12 of our 26 man squad play for teams that finished outside of the top 6.
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6 minutes ago, Walkley Ram said:
Defending Southgate is this summer's defending Warne....
Southgate has had an average time as manager. His win % means nothing as we have more meaningless internationals now than ever. He's had easy routes through tournaments, which all came to an end once we faced a reasonable team. I can't remember beating anyone worth beating in a tournament besides Germany? Having said that, you can only beat the teams in front of you.
His defining legacy (assuming he won't win this tournament) will be doing well with the most gifted set of players we've had in decades. He's done a great job overcoming club rivalries in the camp. But his insistence on playing his way, when it's clear that he needs to try a plan B is infuriating.
He dug his heels in last night and didn't make any of the changes that most fans and pundits were calling for. When he did finally make those changes, we looked a different team, but it was far too late. It's absolutely infuriating. And you know none of the players who made a difference last night will start next game.
Hopefully, those that defend Southgate, just like those that defended Warne, will be left to reap the rewards, whilst the others will be left to keep repeating meaningless points...
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Just now, RoyMac5 said:
That's the point isn't it. The pool of players the England manager has to chose from, the level that they play at, we should be doing really well at tournaments if we had 'any good manager'. Southgate is FA friendly, a pleasant chap and not 'any good manager'.
What is your definition of 'doing really well at tournaments'?
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22 minutes ago, Srg said:
No, he doesn't. What has he won? Deschamps has won tournaments, he was a good manager before he managed France. Southgate wasn't. He's bored us through to a final that he should have won, but didn't due to his set up, cautiousness, game management and inability to make a substitution. Guess that's his track record.
If a semi final, final and quarter final at International level isn't a track record them I'm not really sure what is.
Deschamps record in his first 3 tournaments was quarter final, final, final, so really not much difference to Southgate.
Deschamps win percentage as France manager is 60.3% compared to Southgates 61.3%.
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1 hour ago, Srg said:
Germany have at least shown an aptitude to play well this tournament. Italy aren't very good. France should be better, but again, have a manager who's proven he can be better and has a track record, which Southgate doesn't have.
Germany won against 2 very poor sides in Scotland and Hungary.
Southgate doesn't have a track record?????
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55 minutes ago, Srg said:
All the talk about “he’s done what he’s needed to do” is fine, but there’s 3 counter points to that.
Momentum. We have zero.
The ability to actually play well. We haven’t shown it whatsoever with this team. Why are we suddenly going to flip a switch and start creating and scoring chances?
Southgate. Showing he still hasn’t learnt and he remains overly cautious, odd selections and substitutions.
Just looking for the teams that have momentum...
Germany draw with Switzerland ❌️
Spain beat Albania ✅️
Italy draw with Croatia ❌️
France draw with Poland ❌️
Holland lost to Austria ✅️ (could Austria be the dark horses in this comp?)
Obviously need to see how Portugal and Belgium do today but I'd say there is currently Spain with any sort of momentum.
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8 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:
Are you counting friendlies and nations league there?
When was the last time England beat a top 8 side in tournament knockout football (World Cup and Euros) on foreign soil?
I’m generally intrigued. Who was it?
Yes, you said we'd not beaten any on foreign soil?
2002 Argentina?
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7 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:
Born in the 80s.
1980 beat Spain twice
1984 beat Brazil
1986 beat Soviet Union
1987 beat Spain
1997 best Italy and France
2000 beat Germany
2001 beat Germany
2002 beat Argentina
2005 beat Argentina
2008 beat Germany
2012 beat Italy
2016 beat Germany
2018 beat Spain
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6 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:
I do.
England haven’t beaten a top 8 team on foreign soil in my lifetime.
Every time (in my lifetime) we have played a Belgium, Brazil, Italy, Germany, Portugal or France in knockout competition on foreign soil we have lost.
How old are you?
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6 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:
Sven would have also taken us that far had we not played a proper team like Brazil or Portugal at the 1/4 stage.
Southgate is arguably the luckiest manager in England history given what we faced en route to the 1/2 and final in 18 and 20.
In World Cup 2002 we drew with Sweden and Nigeria in the group stage.
In Euro 2004 we lost 2-1 to France despite being 1-0 up in the 90th minute. Then drew with Portugal.
In World Cup 2006, we drew with Sweden, beat a cricket team 2-0, and had single goal victories against Paraguay and Ecuador before another draw with Portugal.
Why do you not apply the same criticism to Erikkson that you do to Southgate (as soon as we meet anyone decent we lose)?
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1 minute ago, YouRams said:
Come on now with the team he had id of backed pornstar Paul Jewell to get that team to a final
So when we do well it's because of the players, when we are not doing so well it's the manager?
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5 minutes ago, YouRams said:
Southgate still thinking that one midfield position is the issue shows you everything about the man, clueless.
Not aware of too many clueless managers that have reached a Euros final and World Cup semi final...
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2 hours ago, TomTom92 said:
Ironically I think Southgate would trust bringing Grealish on more than Gordon.
Not every team has stunk the joint out like us. Plus by all accounts it’s the same front 4 today allegedly. Clearly bringing in Gallagher will make the world of difference.
Looking at it there will only be 2 teams capable of taking 9 points from the group stages and only 2 teams capable of taking 7 points, maybe we haven't 'stunk the joint out' as much as people are making out but guess we will know more after tonight.
Playing Gallagher will give a completely outlook to the team, unless you see him and TAA as similar sort of players.
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11 hours ago, TomTom92 said:
Why take them if he has no interest in using them? May as well of taken Grealish and Maddison.
And then you'd say it's a disgrace he hadn't used them.
Not seen all of the games, have every other team used every member of their squad?
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1 hour ago, TomTom92 said:
Gallagher coming in for Trent, no talk of Foden being dropped. Classic Southgate, Gallagher will drop a 6/10 we'll squeeze past Slovenia and then he'll think the problems are solved for the knockouts.
His treatment of Gordon, Wharton and Mainoo has been a disgrace.
Been a disgrace in what respect?
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9 hours ago, ariotofmyown said:
You are clearly not happy with Southgate's record then and mock it, when it's vastly better than nearly all other managers. You have nothing else to offer. There are hardly any other options. You will never be satisfied.
Would be if Rooney was in charge probably
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9 hours ago, DavesaRam said:
I posted on Facebook that I’d rather watch early season Derby County!
Talking of Facebook, there was a meme explaining betting odds. So, say you get odds of 12 - 1 for England to win the Euros: if you put a £10 bet on, you will lose £10!
The good thing is that if we do turn it around, then just like with Derby, you'll be able to claim the credit by saying Southgate listened to your concerns and only changed the team because of you 😂
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2 minutes ago, BathRam72 said:
I agree with pretty much all you have said. The midfield was atrocious, especially Rice.
As good as Bellingham is, unfortunately he needs to try and play more, last night he spent most of his time sat on his ar$e with his hands in the air protesting that someone had the audacity to be within 2 meters of him and made him fall over.
Bloody hell, don't start criticising the players! Billingham falling over was Southgates fault. Apparently it's what he has told him to do so he doesn't get injured. Typical Safegate.
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8 hours ago, Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster said:
Couldn't argue with that. Safety first. I like him as a person, he does tend to put his players at ease - and for the most part that ease manifests itself in playing unfazed and unpressured against lesser sides in qualifying for major tournaments. But to WIN a major tournament takes tactical nouse. He hasn't got that, sadly.
He very nearly won a major tournament. Had we won the penalty shootout would that mean that he did actually have tactical nouse? How does losing a penalty shootout prove that he doesn't have it?
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14 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:
Well we can, but playing like this would you be proud?
Well given that you weren't proud of us winning promotion, I think we all know your answer...
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8 minutes ago, Ram-Alf said:
I'd say that TAA England career while Safegate is manager is very limited after that interview.
Ferdinand is right...players should get together and start pointing fingers
If they are unable to put 10 yard passes together without help from their manager I think they should probably be taking a closer look at themselves.
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15 minutes ago, Crewton said:
Don't think I've ever seen Bellingham play so poorly either.
Makes me wonder if something has cracked off behind the scenes - has Southgate got them singing Kumbaya in the dressing room?
Hate to say it but he was Billy Big b******* tonight, falling to the floor and demanding a free kick every time someone dared to tackle him.
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19 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:
Told to do it by the coaches.
Yeah of course he was 😂
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You could have kept on going until you realised you had mentioned the 4 only world class players you mean?