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    Oldben got a reaction from jimtastic56 in The Administration Thread   
    Business isn't about morality, technically it perhaps should be.
    In reality I don't see any reason why mm would sell the club for £1.
    A few years ago Arsenal offer Luiz saurez a transfer fee and the then manager Arsene Wenger said he'd pay just £1 pound more to sign him on a take it or leave it deal, strangely they didn't sign the player.
    And at least that deal offered, 40 million plus £1.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9445234/arsenal-luis-suarez-bid-liverpool-transfer/amp/
    For mm to sell the player for just £1 wouldn't make much sense to him, to most derby fans it would make sense.
    There's an argument that it makes sense for the council to buy derby and rent the club to ck.
    It makes logical sense and is profitable I'm the long term for Derby council to do that.
    I think that most people know that local authorities are run on sound business sense.
    I was hoping that ck takes over the msd debt rather than pays the debt off, and that the debt was something that mm personally owed to msd. Then it might be a simple matter to tell mm, you give dcfc pride Park in exchange for not having to pay off the debt owed against pride Park.
     
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    Oldben got a reaction from kevinhectoring in Kirchner- A risk or a potential reward   
    Before completely blaming the efl, i think its worth while looking at a partial cause of the rot.
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/sep/29/deadly-dychonomics-premier-league-clubs-wont-care-if-efl-teams-go-under
    One thing that might have prevented derbys current plight is an independent regulator, here discussed ...
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/football-english-fans-want-an-independent-regulator-heres-how-it-could-help-save-clubs-from-ruin-172720
     
     
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    Oldben got a reaction from Asanovic70 in LG 1 appropriate transfer suggestions   
    Recommend George Hirst, now his loan at Portsmouth comes to an end, 15 goals in total this season.
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    Oldben reacted to nottingram in The Administration Thread   
    I would imagine there are all sorts of “externalities” in the figure that we would not even consider. Rates for the ground and the rates for businesses local to the ground who benefit from the footfall, to think of just two
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    Oldben reacted to ImARam2 in The Administration Thread   
    This is a very interesting comment, as I've done a very rough estimate based on what I spend going to a home match, as follows:
    Season Ticket per season = £495 / 23 = £21.50 per game Travel by car = £3 fuel + Car Park - £10 = £13, or, Travel by Bus = £5 2 pints of beer before/after a game = £8 Something to eat before the game (e.g. fish & chips, etc.) = £10 So my total per game is between £44.50 to £52.50 x 23 games = £1,023.50 / £1,207.50 If you take the average Pride Park attendance as 22,000 x £1,000 per season = £22 million. So that's a long way from the £100m, but I'm just an average fan, but I'm sure other fans spend more than that amount, and if the attendances go above that figure, especially when there is a good away support, then the I would imagine the figure would be nearer £25-£27 million, just on "going to the match", and not extra's such as overnight rooms; restaurant meals; train fares; DCFC shop sales, etc.
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    Oldben got a reaction from jono in The Administration Thread   
    Its not so much about whether the council run it, or whether the council fund a project to find a buyer for the ground.
    There will be financial backers who would possibly look favourably on taking on the ground, in the same way financial backing was found via msd for a loan towards pride park. 
    I think that there will be businesses interested in taking on the ground.
    Firms like land securities run large building projects and make money from those businesses.
    Example: ground is valued at 20 million, but the grounds owner can make 5 to 6 million a year from renting out the ground, then that can be of interest to someone buying and running the ground. Even at 3 million a year, that could be of interest.
    I think those returns are valid given a cut of the advertising revenue plus the rent, plus a proportion of the merchandising sold at the clubs grounds, a proportion of the food and drink sold at the ground.
    Then there's money raised from other events helds at the ground.
     
     
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    Oldben got a reaction from jimtastic56 in The Administration Thread   
    I've read that dcfc brings in around 100 million a year to the local community.
    Creating jobs etc
    I've read that dcfc are in the running for an award for the work that they do with local community, especially this year under difficult circumstances for the club.
    I've read that the club's financial links to a lot of local businesses is essential for those businesses survival.
    I've read that people say the council shouldn't be considering whether they have the funds to buy the club even if that means substantial guaranteed revenue for them from renting it back to ck.
    In my opinion, an argument that the money should be spent on council services only at this time is flawed considering the above.
    As we stand on the brink of a recession, people feel they need to have an outlet for how the reduction of stress and for families to be able to do something locally and I believe dcfc helps with that.
    It's my hope that mm who at this point in time should have zero chance of passing the efls own fit for purpose test, shouldn't continue to control dcfc.
    In Germany fans are legally required to own a portion of their football team, in derby fans who elected local councillors and who pay council tax, now potentially have a chance via the council to indirectly own a share in dcfc
    If the council does buy it, I hope that members of the public might get a voice on ideas on the way the ground is run.
     
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    Oldben got a reaction from RipleyRich in The Administration Thread   
    Odds are that we see derby county outside of the play offs next season, at least two to three seasons in League one.
    Examplre: Leeds took several seasons to escape league one.
    Derby will be restricted due to the business plan in terms of who they can sign, expect free agents and loan signings.
    Not the best of those, they will go to the Championship clubs while derby pick up the left overs in competition with other league one clubs.
    I've read that escaping league ones requires spending and from what I've read we will not be doing a lot of that.
    For those who dream of escaping league one in the first season, continue to dream.
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    Oldben got a reaction from Finch in The Administration Thread   
    Odds are that we see derby county outside of the play offs next season, at least two to three seasons in League one.
    Examplre: Leeds took several seasons to escape league one.
    Derby will be restricted due to the business plan in terms of who they can sign, expect free agents and loan signings.
    Not the best of those, they will go to the Championship clubs while derby pick up the left overs in competition with other league one clubs.
    I've read that escaping league ones requires spending and from what I've read we will not be doing a lot of that.
    For those who dream of escaping league one in the first season, continue to dream.
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    Oldben got a reaction from alram in The Administration Thread   
    Odds are that we see derby county outside of the play offs next season, at least two to three seasons in League one.
    Examplre: Leeds took several seasons to escape league one.
    Derby will be restricted due to the business plan in terms of who they can sign, expect free agents and loan signings.
    Not the best of those, they will go to the Championship clubs while derby pick up the left overs in competition with other league one clubs.
    I've read that escaping league ones requires spending and from what I've read we will not be doing a lot of that.
    For those who dream of escaping league one in the first season, continue to dream.
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    Oldben got a reaction from kevinhectoring in The Administration Thread   
    Odds are that we see derby county outside of the play offs next season, at least two to three seasons in League one.
    Examplre: Leeds took several seasons to escape league one.
    Derby will be restricted due to the business plan in terms of who they can sign, expect free agents and loan signings.
    Not the best of those, they will go to the Championship clubs while derby pick up the left overs in competition with other league one clubs.
    I've read that escaping league ones requires spending and from what I've read we will not be doing a lot of that.
    For those who dream of escaping league one in the first season, continue to dream.
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    Oldben got a reaction from jimtastic56 in The Administration Thread   
    Odds are that we see derby county outside of the play offs next season, at least two to three seasons in League one.
    Examplre: Leeds took several seasons to escape league one.
    Derby will be restricted due to the business plan in terms of who they can sign, expect free agents and loan signings.
    Not the best of those, they will go to the Championship clubs while derby pick up the left overs in competition with other league one clubs.
    I've read that escaping league ones requires spending and from what I've read we will not be doing a lot of that.
    For those who dream of escaping league one in the first season, continue to dream.
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    Oldben got a reaction from RadioactiveWaste in The Administration Thread   
    Odds are that we see derby county outside of the play offs next season, at least two to three seasons in League one.
    Examplre: Leeds took several seasons to escape league one.
    Derby will be restricted due to the business plan in terms of who they can sign, expect free agents and loan signings.
    Not the best of those, they will go to the Championship clubs while derby pick up the left overs in competition with other league one clubs.
    I've read that escaping league ones requires spending and from what I've read we will not be doing a lot of that.
    For those who dream of escaping league one in the first season, continue to dream.
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    Oldben got a reaction from LERam in The Administration Thread   
    Mm is from derby, he's a self professed derby fan and he was worth several hundred million at the time he purchased Derby.
    No wonder the efl agreed to allow him to become the new owner, at the time he tool over derby county.
    I'm not supporting mm, just that to the efl, on paper, I can see why mm was allowed to take control of derby.
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    Oldben got a reaction from RipleyRich in The Administration Thread   
    Mm is from derby, he's a self professed derby fan and he was worth several hundred million at the time he purchased Derby.
    No wonder the efl agreed to allow him to become the new owner, at the time he tool over derby county.
    I'm not supporting mm, just that to the efl, on paper, I can see why mm was allowed to take control of derby.
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    Oldben got a reaction from jono in The Administration Thread   
    Mm is from derby, he's a self professed derby fan and he was worth several hundred million at the time he purchased Derby.
    No wonder the efl agreed to allow him to become the new owner, at the time he tool over derby county.
    I'm not supporting mm, just that to the efl, on paper, I can see why mm was allowed to take control of derby.
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    Oldben got a reaction from Gritstone Tup in The Administration Thread   
    Exactly what sort of career opportunities do you think are open to Curtis Davies in terms of continuing a football career.
    He's 37, so not many teams are going to be glancing his way and that's applicable to any derby player of at least 32 years old.
    Players 32yrs+, there are better options for other clubs than from a team that's relegated to League One.
    League one is a physically demanding league, so I'm wondering how good our older players will be.
    For me, Jurys out on that, until we are mid season.
    Every so called minnow team will want to beat the so called giant team that is derby county, in front of a crowd as large as derbys.
    Some of our younger players are likely to be of interest to other clubs, especially if they can be acquired as free agents.
    As regards Davies salary, is 4500 a week, slightly high for a player who's 38 next season.
     
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    Oldben got a reaction from Derby4Me in The Administration Thread   
    https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-takeover-news-ashley-6989083?utm_source=derbyshire_live_newsletter&utm_campaign=welcome_dcfc_newsletter2&utm_medium=email
    As preferred bidder status removal date is 7 May, opening the option to purchase, to Ashley.
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    Oldben got a reaction from jimtastic56 in The Administration Thread   
    https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-takeover-news-ashley-6989083?utm_source=derbyshire_live_newsletter&utm_campaign=welcome_dcfc_newsletter2&utm_medium=email
    As preferred bidder status removal date is 7 May, opening the option to purchase, to Ashley.
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    Oldben reacted to Caerphilly Ram in The whole squad wants to stay.   
    If we do still owe an amount for Bielik, I sn’t it classed as a football debt and as such has to be paid in full? 
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    Oldben reacted to Gritstone Tup in The whole squad wants to stay.   
    When the dust settles in a week or so, the details will be agreed between clubs, agents and players. Several players turned down moves to promotion chasing  clubs in January Buchanan, Sibley, Lawrence etc. They will be pissed off and move on in the summer imo! We’ve done brilliantly but it will alert players agents and other clubs that those players are good enough for championship etc.
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    Oldben reacted to Boycie in The whole squad wants to stay.   
    I’d li’e to think so, but I think he’s struggling to pay 35p in the pound to normal creditors, so I doubt he’d be able to settle all outstanding transfer debts.
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    Oldben reacted to twelveincher in The whole squad wants to stay.   
    It’s easy to tell Wayne they want to stay. It’s also easy to disappear behind an agent when a contract expires.
    I’m praying we can keep hold of them all obviously
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    Oldben reacted to jono in The whole squad wants to stay.   
    There’s so much in a statement like that. Having seen the ticker tape head line it fills you with pride.
    All those thoughts of loyalty, a shared experience that has undoubtedly been there come to the fore.
    A desire for that huge adrenaline high you get from working with guys who you know work for you, all with a common goal. It’s called a team and it’s magical. We all experience it (if we are lucky) at some point in our lives. There isn’t much that can touch it. I feel great just reading about it. It cements the truth of what we have seen in the ground as the season unfolded.
    Reality does kick in though. People have hopes dreams aspirations .. So maybe 4 grand a week sounds good to most of us but if you get offered twice that and a chance at the big time where world names play ? It all depends what you are .. At 60 something I can see more joy, sense and satisfaction by sticking with it .. As a young man full of power and dreams, the nobility and joy of sticking around wouldn’t be anything like as strong.
    .. If you go,  I say good luck, and thanks for the memories.
    If you stay … you’ve just earned your first chip in the legend stakes .. You might have been a stat in the employees book but by not walking away,  generations might just remember and revere you long after you are gone. I won’t forget this season or this team. Special moment in my sporting life. 
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    Oldben reacted to kevinhectoring in The whole squad wants to stay.   
    What does it mean, the whole squad wants to stay ? No ifs, buts or maybes? I don’t suppose many of them are inclined to tell Rooney they are intent on leaving,  but as others have said the money will be a big factor in the end 
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