Oldben
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Over the past 10 seasons, the average points total required for survival in the Championship is around 44 points. Reaching 44 or more points typically gives teams a 98% chance of avoiding relegation.
Tactical Approach
Adapting from the style that earned promotion to a more pragmatic, counter-attacking approach may be necessary in the first season.
Adjusting training and tactics early to the new style is important.
Being willing to "throw" certain games to keep the squad fresh for more winnable matches can also help.
Attacking Output
Scoring an average of 1 goal per game is a good target for survival. A primary goalscorer is required. A player capable of scoring at least 14 goals at championship level.
Being pragmatic and playing a balanced mix of patient build-up and directness appears to be the most effective approach, rather than an all-out attacking style.
Defensive Solidity
Conceding no more than 61 goals across the season is important for relegation battlers. Ideally, teams want to concede fewer than 50 goals.
Having a strong, experienced goalkeeper is crucial.
Squad Composition
Retaining core players from the promotion-winning squad and making smart signings can boost a team's chances.
Developing youth talent and giving them opportunities can also be beneficial.
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Two out of contract goalkeepers from arsenal this summer Arthur Okonkwo and Karl hein.
One of these might be a good choice for us.
Another choice, Loris Karius, would be a good summer free agent choice for us.
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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/derby-county/vertragsende/verein/22
The 12 players our of contract this summer.
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Anthony Evans, Bristol Rovers ...
https://footystats.org/players/england/anthony-evans
Louie Sibley ...
https://footystats.org/players/england/louie-sibley
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Would Anthony Evans, Bristol rovers, be a good signing for us
- Rich3478, Premier ram and GangwayD
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/league-two/top-scorers
We should probably look into signing any of the top 4 or 5 players from here.
They'd probably be interested in playing for us in the Championship and have the right attributes to help us in that division.
All of those players in that group have scored at least 20+ goals.
Strikers a position we should spend some money on.
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10 minutes ago, Magicman said:
Keep Wildsmith, Nyambe, Rooney, Nelson, Cashin , Ward, Wilson, Sibley, Fozzy, Thomo, Smith, Adams, NML, Collins, Brown.
Sell Vickers, Elder , Hourihane, Fornah, Barks, Waghorn, Washington, Gayle, CBT
Washington has a year left on his contract, who would buy him
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Devante Cole is out of contract in the summer.
Would be a good signing for us, capable of playing at the championship level.
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3 hours ago, Simmo’s left foot said:
Half of that income increase will cover the existing loss, so don't expect a huge amount of activity. I expect 3-4 higher grade players arriving, a similarish number leaving and several new contracts for key young players.
I hope that will give us a stable platform to aim for "middle third" of the championship.
Ram59 I can't challenge the response here because disheartening as this might be, I feel there's a level of accuracy.
However I hope that money can be found. That our new owners sensible enough to realise that at all cost, we must get established in the Championship and that takes money.
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8 minutes ago, Simmo’s left foot said:
Half of that income increase will cover the existing loss, so don't expect a huge amount of activity. I expect 3-4 higher grade players arriving, a similarish number leaving and several new contracts for key young players.
I hope that will give us a stable platform to aim for "middle third" of the championship.
Hm ... can't say I'd disagree with that ... it does most likely leave us in a relegation dog fight.
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9 minutes ago, Gringo said:
Serious question, given that the club has to be financially self supporting, where do you expect the extra cash to come from?
https://theathletic.com/4957498/2023/10/16/epl-efl-explained-deal-english-football/
a club promoted from League 1 to the Championship would see a significant increase in their income:
Each Championship club receives £11.6m per season from the EFL's central distribution and Premier League solidarity payments.
In contrast, a mid-table League One team currently receives only £2.2m per season.
Under the proposed new deal, that same mid-table Championship club would receive £17.5m per season - an increase of £5.9m.
So on average, a League 1 club promoted to the Championship would see their income increase by around £5.9 million per season.
This is a substantial boost that can make a big difference for the financial health and competitiveness of the promoted club.
on average, the TV rights for Championship clubs are worth around £11.6 million per season. This is nearly 5 times more than the £2.2 million received by a typical League 1 club.
Additionally, Championship clubs get paid around four times as much for hosting TV games on Sky Sports. The facility fee is £100,000 for Friday night and Saturday games, £120,000 for a Sunday game, and £140,000 for a Thursday game in the Championship, compared to very rare televised fixtures for League One clubs.
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Average team age by club in championship:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/altersschnitt/wettbewerb/GB2
Average team age by club in League one:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/altersschnitt/wettbewerb/GB3
Derby county oldest average age of all teams in League one (if this is accurate), at 28. For me age is an issue when contrasted against championship teams average age.
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/08/championship-stats-2023-24-opta/
Good stats by team in the Championship. I think the players are younger and with better quality. Being younger less injury prone.
I think the teams are better at set pieces, if we don't have already, I recommend hiring a set pieces Specialist coach.
To compete in the Championship we will need to spend more money and not rely on older players and loans.
Championship wage bills: https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/championship-wage-bills-2023-24-leeds-leicester-southampton
Championship income & expenditure: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB2
I doubt we are going to compete with many of the championship clubs and yet where we've spent several years not utilising a transfer budget, if the club wants to try and compete and try and not get relegated, spending money in my opinion is essential.
I dont think our strategy of bringing in older players and loans will save us in the Championship.
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15 minutes ago, Foreveram said:
He’ll be 30 before the start of the season.
Better than 32+, age isn't just a number in League 1
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13 hours ago, Caerphilly Ram said:
And who are you suggesting we sign? We all know the current playing staff and their ages, who do you suggest in terms of improving that?
I appreciate age can be a concern for some, for me if the right player is available to improve the squad, whether they’re over or under 30 is immaterial in the short to medium term. A 31 year old centre back could play for another 3/4/5 years without any massive decline in ability. A name you mentioned, Jamie Vardy, he’s 37 years old and in theory will be available on a free (now I’m not saying he’s a realistic signing) but would I take him as an upgrade on Waghorn for example? Absolutely I would.
I think I might consider Jonson Clarke-Harris, who's 29 years old and a free agent this summer.
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On 17/04/2024 at 09:55, Oldben said:
Point I was attempting to make was that our summer transfer targets need to be a step up from the last two summers.
We will need players either used to playing at a level akin to the championship on a regular basis or capable of playing at that level.
I also intended to look at what it takes to be successful at this level.
In any case the quality and type of player we sign in the summer needs to be of a higher calibre than players aged 30+ and young loan players who take time to adapt to the championship level of play.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/torschuetzenliste/wettbewerb/GB2/saison_id/2023
As can be seen from table none of the top scorers in the championship, with the exception of jamie vardy (37) and Will keane (31) is over 30 years.
The derby county top scorers ...
James Collins - 13 goals, age 33
Nathaniel Mendez-Laing - 8 goals, age 32
Tom Barkhuizen - 6 goals, age 30
Martyn Waghorn - 6 goals, age 34
Conor Hourihane - 5 goals, age 33
Louie Sibley - 4 goals, age 22
Max Bird - 3 goals, age 23
Craig Forsyth - 3 goals, age 34
Conor Washington - 3 goals, age 31
Dwight Gayle - 3 goals, age 34
In terms of recruitment, i would like to see us sign some strikers under 30.
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1 hour ago, Ambitious said:
We've been paying Championship wages to players who were willing to jump down into League One. For reference, our wage bill in 22/23 was £6m higher than Rotherham - 170% We have increased the wage bill this season even further so could already be inline or greater than the likes of Preston (£18.8m).
I would assume there is going to be even greater investment going into next season, but paying the wages hasn't been the problem. It's been the recruitment and how we have had to recruit. I'm excited (albeit nervous too) to see how the club approach it should we win promotion.
I think there will be a whole host of changes and I think the club know that which is why they've put the brakes on new contracts for next season. I actually believe they understand the gravity of the task and the standard we will need to be at in order to be competitive.
How many of those signings were 30+ and injury prone, were on the subs bench in the teams they came from.
How many did we throw money at to get them to come to us because the players who might have been a better fit would not have come from the championship to league one.
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33 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:
I think the intent of this thread was for people to discuss and suggest players who we could sign to improve the squad, not to suggest how likely we are to fail next season. I thought after last night there’d be more optimism around 😞
Point I was attempting to make was that our summer transfer targets need to be a step up from the last two summers.
We will need players either used to playing at a level akin to the championship on a regular basis or capable of playing at that level.
I also intended to look at what it takes to be successful at this level.
In any case the quality and type of player we sign in the summer needs to be of a higher calibre than players aged 30+ and young loan players who take time to adapt to the championship level of play.
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The Championship features more technically skilled and tactically aware players than League One.
Championship teams have larger budgets, attracting experienced players from higher leagues.
League One relies on developing young talent due to smaller budgets.
The Championship showcases a dynamic, attacking style, while League One emphasizes physicality.
Championship players statistically outperform League One players in passing and shot creation, reflecting a closer quality to Premier League standards.
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I think we should sign Lee bonis.
This season he's tallying 28 goals and seven assists in 45 games across all competitions.
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Which of these would strengthen our team, and any we might have a realistic chance of signing.
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1 hour ago, CBX1985 said:
The team we have today, maybe. But we would purchase/sign a higher type of player. We can't do that in this league as the cost does not justify it - and they probably would say no anyway.
Maybe half the usual team would make the cut with the rest becoming bit-part. You are assuming we would take no steps ahead of a Championship season; I think that highly unlikely.
Just assuming we will not have a decent budget in the Championship compared to many other teams.
The best available players there might look at us and say they've only just been promoted and they might be relegated, there are better championship teams we could play for.
Money counts, will we have that.
Will our budget be significantly more than warne had at Rotherham.
A number of the players we've signed barely got a place on the substitutes bench at the championship teams they came from.
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On 13/04/2024 at 23:00, Bris Vegas said:
I think it’s largely the thought of seeing Sheff Wed and Plymouth, two sides who looked better than the current Derby side, struggle to hit 50 points in the Championship.
I see us currently weaker than teams like QPR, Huddersfield and Wednesday so we will need to have a decent summer (or a manager who can excel on a budget) to give us a chance next season.
Warnes a relegation specialist, he was relegated twice with Rotherham. We're those Rotherham teams stronger than the current Derby team. The assumption is third time successful but we drew with Portsmouth Fc, so I'd say we are not championship ready.
Paul Warne
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Cluld something similar happen to deeby fc.
Rotherham fc
There are a few key reasons why Paul Warne's Rotherham United teams were relegated from the Championship twice during his tenure as manager:
1. **Limited resources and budget constraints**[1][2]: Rotherham have a bottom-three budget compared to other Championship clubs, making it challenging to recruit and retain top talent. Warne has had to work within tight financial constraints.
2. **Injuries and COVID-19 outbreaks**[1]: Rotherham suffered not one but two COVID-19 outbreaks, leading to a backlog of fixtures. This, combined with injuries, put a strain on the squad's stamina and fitness.
3. **Defensive tactics and pressing style**[1][2]: While Rotherham's high-pressing and defensive tactics have been praised, they struggled to consistently score goals and break down opponents, leading to narrow defeats.
4. **Yo-yo trend of relegation and promotion**[2]: Rotherham have experienced a pattern of relegation and promotion under Warne, making it difficult to build momentum and establish themselves in the Championship.
5. **Lack of luck and "dubious" refereeing decisions**[1]: Warne believes Rotherham's results have not been as kind to them as they could have been, with some questionable refereeing decisions going against them.
Despite these challenges, Warne has remained committed to Rotherham and has praised the team's fighting spirit and work ethic. [2].
Citations:
[1] https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/unbelievable-rotherham-survival-championship-promotion-24053746
[2] https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/broken-rotherham-united-manager-paul-5392239
[3] https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/the-areas-where-it-went-wrong-for-paul-warnes-relegated-rotherham-united-3233661
[4] https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/the-relegation-season-where-it-all-went-wrong-for-rotherham-united-4584944