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Efl issued statements implying Derby were not eligible due to being under suspicion of rule breaches. Then later said we didn’t apply. Why would we apply for a loan if we weren’t eligible ?

Well that's exactly it David. The EFL is not independent, it is mob rule.
I posted what Ridsdale was saying a few months back saying nobody should get a loan, especially clubs who have overspent, because preston were doing fine with  their sadly now ex owner.
I mean Ridsdale for Gods sake! of all people!
 
This is why Derby fans like me cannot take being lectutured to about our club being punished to "maintain the integrity " of the League.
It is pure hypocrisy.
 
 
 
 

Well that's exactly it David. The EFL is not independent, it is mob rule.
I posted what Ridsdale was saying a few months back saying nobody should get a loan, especially clubs who have overspent, because preston were doing fine with  their sadly now ex owner.
I mean Ridsdale for Gods sake! of all people!
 
This is why Derby fans like me cannot take being lectutured to about our club being punished to "maintain the integrity " of the League.
It is pure hypocrisy.
 
 
 
 

Well that's exactly it David. The EFL is not independent, it is mob rule.
I posted what Ridsdale was saying a few months back saying nobody should get a loan, especially clubs who have overspent, because preston were doing fine with  their sadly now ex owner.
I mean Ridsdale for Gods sake! of all people!
 
This is why Derby fans like me cannot take being lectutured to about our club being punished to "maintain the integrity " of the League.
It is pure hypocrisy.
 
 
 
 

The same rule was not in place for League 1 and 2 clubs.
https://www.efl.com/news/2020/december/efl-and-premier-league-statement-rescue-package-agreed/

Maguire accused an auditor of not being independent because he was a rams fan. 
 
did he provide any evidence  that the auditors work was impacted in anyway by the fact if being a rams fan. No he didn’t. 
 
I have heard a lot of quotes from maguire and I have never heard him criticise Efl. Other commentators have. Nixon has. Samuel at the mail has. Parliament has.
how come maguire never does. To me he is obviously biased that is my opinion and I am not the only one who thinks that. 
 
it is a fact that maguire and parry worked together. I am not passing on anything as fact that this is only opinion.

It isn't conjecture. It is a fact. The two have had shared vested interest in people signing up for their courses at the same  business school .  Maguire is not independent of EFL, he peddles their agenda all the time.
 
By no means are EFL the sole cause of our problems. And by no means has Mel Morris not made multiple errors.
But our ultimate fate our very existence as a club rests with the EFL (and to some extent the forbearance of mel Morris as a creditor). EFL  have within their power to banish us from the League.
If they succeed they will claim a weird distorred moral argument that they have to punish us (all of us every Rams fan, and sorry for questioning if you were Leeds but it wasn't clear)  for the allegedly self inflicted actions. to maintain their "integrity" of the League (no really).
And no I do no trust EFL  one bit, and unless he proves me wrong, i still trust Morris to save us now if he can.   So no I'm not keen to slag him off right now.
 

But EFL's argument was not to do with existential threat of selling the stadium , but in their book the argument was we gained an unfair advantage and broke the rules. We didn't do either and actually saying we gained an advantage really throws everyone off the threat you suggest as it is the opposite . 
We will see what happens with PPS soon I guess. If it is sold for housing well you may expect more anger including from me.
 

As I've posted elswehere Maguire is a known work assiociate of Rick Parry , so his views on Derby's battles with EFL will always be indintinguishable from theirs, he will always side wth them. So no he is not objective or reasonable in his views.
 
On the stadium sale how come Derby were the only ones challenged on valuation? Why were Villa and Hillsborough valuations not challenged. They were lower than Derby's but that's because their stadiums are much older.
 
Strange how the world's experts in accounting depreciation did not twig that Villa Park had depreciated by a lot more than Pride Park on account of it being about 50 years older. Duh!   
 
 

It isn't conjecture. It is a fact. The two have had shared vested interest in people signing up for their courses at the same  business school .  Maguire is not independent of EFL, he peddles their agenda all the time.
 
By no means are EFL the sole cause of our problems. And by no means has Mel Morris not made multiple errors.
But our ultimate fate our very existence as a club rests with the EFL (and to some extent the forbearance of mel Morris as a creditor). EFL  have within their power to banish us from the League.
If they succeed they will claim a weird distorred moral argument that they have to punish us (all of us every Rams fan, and sorry for questioning if you were Leeds but it wasn't clear)  for the allegedly self inflicted actions. to maintain their "integrity" of the League (no really).
And no I do no trust EFL  one bit, and unless he proves me wrong, i still trust Morris to save us now if he can.   So no I'm not keen to slag him off right now.
 

Maguire accused an auditor of not being independent because he was a rams fan. 
 
did he provide any evidence  that the auditors work was impacted in anyway by the fact if being a rams fan. No he didn’t. 
 
I have heard a lot of quotes from maguire and I have never heard him criticise Efl. Other commentators have. Nixon has. Samuel at the mail has. Parliament has.
how come maguire never does. To me he is obviously biased that is my opinion and I am not the only one who thinks that. 
 
it is a fact that maguire and parry worked together. I am not passing on anything as fact that this is only opinion.

I think many chairmen have made worse mistakes but have got away with it. Villa and Stoke and reading . forest too. 
 
but the consequences of several failed attempts at promotion, leaving us in a weakened financial state and then COVID hitting us just at the wrong  time have had the worst of consequences that is true.

Well we went into admin after Lionel Pickering left, and then came the 3 amigos. Lionel was a decent man just a a bit stubborn and he left us in state too. I don’t think he had to deal with a pandemic either. 

of course maguire has a vested interest . He has books to sell podcasts he wants people to listen to. He wants a story. That story will be a big one if it leads to the biggest financial failure in English football history and he has a vested interest in that .

Maguire accused an auditor of not being independent because he was a rams fan. 
 
did he provide any evidence  that the auditors work was impacted in anyway by the fact if being a rams fan. No he didn’t. 
 
I have heard a lot of quotes from maguire and I have never heard him criticise Efl. Other commentators have. Nixon has. Samuel at the mail has. Parliament has.
how come maguire never does. To me he is obviously biased that is my opinion and I am not the only one who thinks that. 
 
it is a fact that maguire and parry worked together. I am not passing on anything as fact that this is only opinion.

They cannot be seen to be independent of each other in any professional sense.  And in fact Maguire isn't objective or reasonable which only makes it worse. 

As I've posted elswehere Maguire is a known work assiociate of Rick Parry , so his views on Derby's battles with EFL will always be indintinguishable from theirs, he will always side wth them. So no he is not objective or reasonable in his views.
 
On the stadium sale how come Derby were the only ones challenged on valuation? Why were Villa and Hillsborough valuations not challenged. They were lower than Derby's but that's because their stadiums are much older.
 
Strange how the world's experts in accounting depreciation did not twig that Villa Park had depreciated by a lot more than Pride Park on account of it being about 50 years older. Duh!   
 
 

I think many chairmen have made worse mistakes but have got away with it. Villa and Stoke and reading . forest too. 
 
but the consequences of several failed attempts at promotion, leaving us in a weakened financial state and then COVID hitting us just at the wrong  time have had the worst of consequences that is true.

Sorry Juan my understanding of "basket case" has origins referring to   someone with dementia at end of life  reduced to weaving baskets in a care home. not a state anyone ever recovers from . So logically if EFL says we were a basket case going into pandemic they were saying we were already beyond hope.They may say that but you contradict them by saying admin wouldnt have happened if not for COVID.
Adminsitrators will say I think COVID was the only proximate cause. Everything else was a contributory factor, not the cause. I think they have a good case.   

It isn't conjecture. It is a fact. The two have had shared vested interest in people signing up for their courses at the same  business school .  Maguire is not independent of EFL, he peddles their agenda all the time.
 
By no means are EFL the sole cause of our problems. And by no means has Mel Morris not made multiple errors.
But our ultimate fate our very existence as a club rests with the EFL (and to some extent the forbearance of mel Morris as a creditor). EFL  have within their power to banish us from the League.
If they succeed they will claim a weird distorred moral argument that they have to punish us (all of us every Rams fan, and sorry for questioning if you were Leeds but it wasn't clear)  for the allegedly self inflicted actions. to maintain their "integrity" of the League (no really).
And no I do no trust EFL  one bit, and unless he proves me wrong, i still trust Morris to save us now if he can.   So no I'm not keen to slag him off right now.
 

It isn't conjecture. It is a fact. The two have had shared vested interest in people signing up for their courses at the same  business school .  Maguire is not independent of EFL, he peddles their agenda all the time.
 
By no means are EFL the sole cause of our problems. And by no means has Mel Morris not made multiple errors.
But our ultimate fate our very existence as a club rests with the EFL (and to some extent the forbearance of mel Morris as a creditor). EFL  have within their power to banish us from the League.
If they succeed they will claim a weird distorred moral argument that they have to punish us (all of us every Rams fan, and sorry for questioning if you were Leeds but it wasn't clear)  for the allegedly self inflicted actions. to maintain their "integrity" of the League (no really).
And no I do no trust EFL  one bit, and unless he proves me wrong, i still trust Morris to save us now if he can.   So no I'm not keen to slag him off right now.
 

It's perfectly possible to simultaneously believe (as I do) that Mel Morris has run the club in a catastrophically awful way, that the EFL have handled their various interactions with us in a pathetically useless way, and that Maguire is an attention-seeking muppet that doesn't seem to know half as much as he thinks he does.

Sorry Juan my understanding of "basket case" has origins referring to   someone with dementia at end of life  reduced to weaving baskets in a care home. not a state anyone ever recovers from . So logically if EFL says we were a basket case going into pandemic they were saying we were already beyond hope.They may say that but you contradict them by saying admin wouldnt have happened if not for COVID.
Adminsitrators will say I think COVID was the only proximate cause. Everything else was a contributory factor, not the cause. I think they have a good case.   

Sorry Juan my understanding of "basket case" has origins referring to   someone with dementia at end of life  reduced to weaving baskets in a care home. not a state anyone ever recovers from . So logically if EFL says we were a basket case going into pandemic they were saying we were already beyond hope.They may say that but you contradict them by saying admin wouldnt have happened if not for COVID.
Adminsitrators will say I think COVID was the only proximate cause. Everything else was a contributory factor, not the cause. I think they have a good case.   

It isn't conjecture. It is a fact. The two have had shared vested interest in people signing up for their courses at the same  business school .  Maguire is not independent of EFL, he peddles their agenda all the time.
 
By no means are EFL the sole cause of our problems. And by no means has Mel Morris not made multiple errors.
But our ultimate fate our very existence as a club rests with the EFL (and to some extent the forbearance of mel Morris as a creditor). EFL  have within their power to banish us from the League.
If they succeed they will claim a weird distorred moral argument that they have to punish us (all of us every Rams fan, and sorry for questioning if you were Leeds but it wasn't clear)  for the allegedly self inflicted actions. to maintain their "integrity" of the League (no really).
And no I do no trust EFL  one bit, and unless he proves me wrong, i still trust Morris to save us now if he can.   So no I'm not keen to slag him off right now.
 

No it is crass and vile comments to downplay covid as not a force majeure (as per Maguire). Of course it is a force majeure , it has wrecked peoples lives including mine .