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Remember how averages work. Maybe CEO and head of recruitment will be on good salaries (£150k pa?), but many backroom are minimum wage (i.e. shop, ticket office etc). Now, we have players like Collins and Hourihane who signed when we had no one credible to play. PW has stated there are some players on very high salaries he might not have gone with. It one takes one or two of them, on extremely high salaries, to skew the average. Bill Gates on a train: If everyone on this forum was on a train with Bill Gates the average wealth of people on the train would be over £1billion. At the levels you are discussing, it doesn't take many players to skew the average quite perversely.

They can apply for date exemptions (as is done for international weeks and the FA Cup Final). However, it would appear - especially as Lg 1 and Lg 2 are going ahead that date, we are probably looking at most games being Saturday lunch time.

I think Sky will be showing all of them. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12873679/sky-sports-agrees-new-five-year-efl-deal-over-1000-matches-per-season

Indeed. I would go further and say, for instance, I would be prepared to play for Derby in any position for free. The club instead pays players in excess of £250,000 pa to do that role. You could make the point that is a "gamble" on more established players. I would be useless and we would be thrashed each week and relegated, but there would be a massive one off saving. The gamble was paying very high wages to inexperienced managers (who are famous) and who, should you lose a few, would be sacked with compensation to boot. And paying extremely high wages (and even higher fees) to fringe Premier League players to entice them to take a step backwards. Paying a "promotion specialist" to increase revenue without taking debt to do so is very good business sense.

it is very subjective. I would say bullying would be ad hominem attacks. I have seen very few of these on this site in any direction. You then get the "I'm offended" brigade who confuse offence with disagreement and cite their offence as bullying. I'm with Stephen Fry on this one: so f***ing what.

I quite like Warne. He has a nice sense of humour and seems to have a vision. Truth is, before he became our manager I'd never heard of him. Clowes rated him so that was enough for me. He was given one objective: get us up. He's achieved that. There are many who don't like him - whether it is is football, his David Brent jokes or his bobblehat. That I have no problem with; I am no loyalist to him only the club. What I personally find frustrating is these points are masked with constantly moving goalposts - "players won't sign for him"... when they do it becomes: "he needs to stop media interviews, he is alienating them"... "we are losing, he doesn't understand tactics and is "naive" "... when they win it becomes "we were always going to win this league, he doesn't have the ability to win a league above - he's not a Championship specialist". Just like a doomsday cult, when midnight arrives and the worst doesn't happen the deadline can move rather than admit, maybe, we need to rethink our position. Maybe he will fail, but he has been successful so far. What we need to do, in my view, is stick on what we want - and make that tangible and definable. Without that, debate is hard as the grounds for that debate will shift as easy as sand in the Sahara. Before writing this I read some of the season predictions. Promotion with second was a success for practically everyone. What has changed?

Clowes Developments are owned 100% by the Clowes Trust (2014). It depends on the type of Trust (my assumption would be a bloodline discretionary trust) about voting rights. I do not know whether DC has siblings (I know he has children), but he likely has total control (i.e. 50%+ 1 share) of the firm via the Trust (there are 5,510 shares in the Clowes Developments Ltd, to which the Clowes Trust 2014 owns all of them). Below is the very long link to the related page outlining ownership structure via Companies House. https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-live.ch.gov.uk/docs/jA956asbmI8lFL9FTyAtuM73zW3Bw51NsN60X1HrmcM/application-pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAWRGBDBV3NXFXCCTZ%2F20240429%2Feu-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20240429T164903Z&X-Amz-Expires=60&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjELz%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2F%2FwEaCWV1LXdlc3QtMiJHMEUCIQCU9jUT7JZ1TCpWcdiaC%2FdiypHOEkiqnSpQe3wNmzkwyQIgedNzRQo2vaD3cG5lYgaqHhDk48uO4VS1s7JNmw06iycquwUIFRAFGgw0NDkyMjkwMzI4MjIiDGsdtbtESQlesdFP7CqYBamk6RvrQOLCRfaWsohOhJAjo05jIHR3cgexAnvX155vn5PHFFeWPTlMCm%2FHhv6zwcsR4iaAWIRmRlDB6Bg8TTCxpnbNwAfrRVmTJhblfeepATMcAf7SqYp4WfVFGOOAsAoaF%2Fcuqnjihwa8iS%2FiEfyatI7uMAfW%2F%2FgKI3Mwa38YWmQYeHRn1VXIGibMdIGIyWl%2ByF4dCIeCoVfJKLYZTJpF1LspEi6Wp30qee%2FNnUwwvuXosmmbtdE382UNtvwAismHDPBReNLXpvzdXjtoVcRhx%2FT1x66EN4XGJ%2F6tRTg%2Bn5%2BGeVfak5a8Wkm8Sehc95aiRTLjSNMuSpTQbUUmUZE9QUCE6AR68Zgje%2FMd%2BzU8r%2B9m7HdvBobMQ20Ouh5A0nYaaXV%2FQ1g4DTq7OQ1BAljXyBJ6qMIFsFBCmZmOR3Zy%2BUXeqgGc3u4D18OHCTGA1NdyofO0eTCIgo7Z0l2wX9j7JVEwVq2B2MYAliUfUphORKlP1eqXkqqSpjZNsTSULbzBF%2FZoyOlYF74gQFtNGNbkdfdTsG7Jhus6w%2BQOnCj%2BYybVEuE77uWMN5t3%2FPZ9%2Bjv1cXn6OYdbmocjuPTpxwCRufpTgixgKmczGvE6E0mH4tyWhMTavjsX%2BO3o7AkUbBVLo%2B2uGA839Fzs%2BeMq9aj%2F8NvKAZ0o7gJDaN6yjwzQhw%2Fb7u2MlNNjAhiQbiTsKAq%2FqzmY6ayOavG53qMBtkVnY0ztul9UjhHt8o95lhQCt%2F8LsDgLtZ7257GxpIhv0O3%2FELbVEpadeketU5Nmn4dsPLg9a5ptMHzl%2F%2BNxvn8CqqoegxwtzJW0wWKxwNmJTikRmQsXlVR7QKL6V8nx9B9l%2BJHVwPBZ4P49P3jJdN4FmhV%2Bt5GcpcgwiZu%2BsQY6sQGFB2G0QMxbXdMrMutL8daPQQ2B3h1gXGKy5Lde5oOnb%2F6kUKYuWbmfuNQitgtd7jKXZpnI0TDpsz2A55uMDf7PV1rMfeK0JYjvCxgsODLYhERQ3L9nmKgLdi5ym5SRZ%2BxSnMUPeePAeIjT7bORpz75fg21GMvNwm6SP9AnN00xhNS%2B4gkIcNf%2BpdHnrZijNEbgEFhlSqn5BZCwsXtk01trxr0Oj1G4h2cpYWjV7y046BY%3D&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D"companies_house_document.pdf"&X-Amz-Signature=a1d4aca32c5543f45b4278c1906a329e136cc1d591ba5513c006784583c9ed34

I made a remark to you that in the days leading up to a stunning promotion it is absurd to have a "debate" about the manager's future. No one told you you cannot discuss what you like but merely your position would be liable to appear ridiculous in the circumstances in the same way, say, an internal campaign to have a CEO fired for wildly outperforming his extremely challenging profit target, would have.

He is the football version of Uncle Albert.

That cap is for the Premier League, I believe - not sure it applies to Championship. I believe there has to be some available to purchase game-by-game. I suspect the club will want to sell as many up front as it can, so if there is no limit and demand is high, could be very hard to get tickets this coming year.

Hypothetically.... Brighton were interested in buying him but loaning him out to a Championship club. Now we are there, there is the option of selling him and loaning him back for the season. There is no way he would break into Brighton first team at this stage, but a Championship season would give him his springboard. If Brighton do want him, he will go but if we can get a further season that would be a big win with a fee on top.

I noted it at the time. I also thought he was taking the players off due to pitch invasion, as there was still two minutes of the minimum four to go.

I think we will. Every fan wants him too - and I cannot conceive how Clowes would think any different. The trouble is we don't want to appear too desperate in case Cardiff jack up the price. But, £8m TV money extra - we have the funds from secure income.

I think I posted on here at the time a few days before it transpired, that Rooney probably did want to stay,but his going was inevitable. When Chris Kirchner was "supposedly" going to buy us Rooney was all in on the idea - and seemed fully on board. Had that not have been fairy dust of a fraudster, I suspect he would have done. When that fell through, WR was somewhat tainted by it (I doubt any of which was his fault). Then when Clowes put his bid in and it was accepted, Rooney must have seen (or been advised) that there was no way Clowes was going to want to pay managerial salaries at that level (for an inexperienced manager, but with top level playing experience). Clowes clearly wanted us to be normal - rather than Wayne Rooney/Frank Lampard's Derby. In those instances, it was both inevitable that he was going to leave - and he got to make the decision himself.

A fair comment, but I just don't think we know what his football is like. At this level, we are never going to pay to get Championship level players (more than just a few) as the risk of failure is too large. He has to do what he can with what he has - means justify ends, and we need(ed) promotion. Should we be promoted on Saturday, my view is that PW starts again, a new coach on a two year deal. His new job will be very different from his last one - albeit from the same dugout. That is when, in my view, we judge the standard of his football.

I think the legal challenge would scare the EFL off. They would be pointed to all of the others and asked: where are their deductions? Could have all sorts of ramifications throughout all the leagues in England. Non starter.

Thank you. I was three years old at the time, so wasn't fully up on matters back then 🙂 I do think it a better format.

I think I would rather there was a breaking the link with "automatic promotion" with the third spot. So, I would have third bottom from league above join a league with third in this league (to avoid relegation). The next 4-7 play a round of one off games to join to make the final two (of join main play off). There be a draw for who plays team from 3rd bottom (of league above) and who plays 3rd from top (of this). Then a final. Would create more to play for at the bottom as well as top, as even if relegated you might be able to claw yourself to a chance of survival. No more games dates. And less bitterness over finishing third.

I've been looking out for the semaphore but nothing so far.

Play Man City at home: full house. Play Morecambe at home: 6,000.

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If we'd go up finishing sixth playing the worst football ever seen it would be the best achievement since 2006/07. We have achieved exactly nothing tangible since then. Come close a few times, but fallen short. We can only start to play flowing football in the Championship. We could be the 1970 Brazil team and would struggle in this league. Getting promoted is a stunning achievement - even if it is our minimum standard.

You resemble more of a TB kind of guy.

It would be a party in the (Pride) Park. "ole" will ring out with every pass. There won't be a trophy, but will be a victory parade in all but name.

Yes, but they would need to lose both remaining games and us win them.