Uptherams Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I will allow everyone to do the maths themselves. *please also note that the domestic rights has increased significantly which is likely to result in a minimum of an extra £10m-£15m per club 2013/2014 #the season we could potentially be in the PL. [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/10/football-league-agree-parachute-payments]http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/10/football-league-agree-parachute-payments Clubs relegated from the [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/premierleague]Premier League will receive £48m in parachute payments over four years after [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/football-league]Football League chairmen today voted in favour of the proposal. The payments – which rise from £16m a year over two years – will start from next season and are part of a package of solidarity payments from the Premier League to the Football League. The [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/leagueonefootball]League One and Two clubs initially blocked the change at a meeting 10 days ago but were told by the Premier League it was a take it or leave it offer. A Football League spokesman admitted that many clubs had expressed fears about the changes. Many smaller clubs fear increased money going to the [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/championship]Championship will widen the gap with League One and Two. The spokesman said: "Following a frank but constructive meeting at Walsall's Banks's Stadium today, Football League clubs have voted to accept the Premier League's revised solidarity and parachute payments proposals. "Whilst many clubs expressed concerns about the proposals, their acceptance was considered the only viable way forward. The Football League will now work in good faith, with the Premier League, to ensure that the resulting contract and regulatory changes are good for both competitions and football as a whole." [url=http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/14/where-the-money-went-premier-league-prize-and-tv-payments-for-2011-12-150501/]http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/14/where-the-money-went-premier-league-prize-and-tv-payments-for-2011-12-150501/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I will allow everyone to do the maths themselves. *please also note that the domestic rights has increased significantly which is likely to result in a minimum of an extra £10m-£15m per club 2013/2014 #the season we could potentially be in the PL. [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/10/football-league-agree-parachute-payments]http://www.guardian....achute-payments Clubs relegated from the [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/premierleague]Premier League will receive £48m in parachute payments over four years after [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/football-league]Football League chairmen today voted in favour of the proposal. The payments – which rise from £16m a year over two years – will start from next season and are part of a package of solidarity payments from the Premier League to the Football League. The [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/leagueonefootball]League One and Two clubs initially blocked the change at a meeting 10 days ago but were told by the Premier League it was a take it or leave it offer. A Football League spokesman admitted that many clubs had expressed fears about the changes. Many smaller clubs fear increased money going to the [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/championship]Championship will widen the gap with League One and Two. The spokesman said: "Following a frank but constructive meeting at Walsall's Banks's Stadium today, Football League clubs have voted to accept the Premier League's revised solidarity and parachute payments proposals. "Whilst many clubs expressed concerns about the proposals, their acceptance was considered the only viable way forward. The Football League will now work in good faith, with the Premier League, to ensure that the resulting contract and regulatory changes are good for both competitions and football as a whole." [url=http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/05/14/where-the-money-went-premier-league-prize-and-tv-payments-for-2011-12-150501/]http://www.sportingi...2011-12-150501/ I think if you search hard enough there will already be a thread discussing this TWO YEAR OLD STORY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 just seen the bottom quote which is fairly recent - did we need the stuff from two years ago though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share Posted July 6, 2012 Given the current circumstances it is relevant and given the information and figures are the same..it is relevant. I can be condescending to a much greater extent but I am not here to act in such a way. My point was to remind people how much money (entirely) we are talking about. Far too much miss-information essentially gossiped from one person to the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 My point was the parachute payment values is common knowledge and didnt really need restating - maybe a better post would be to just link the second one and post its content. Anyway Promotion isnt really pointless with that sort of money flying around now is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I think there is a hidden point here. Over a period of time, the Elite PPP (too many P's?), combined with the parachute payments will effectively stop clubs climbing the league pyramid. It is all designed to keep the top clubs safely esconced at the top table. Many foreign investors are not happy at the risk of relegation from the Premier League so these rules are designed to stop the "trickle down" effect and lead to a more stable base for them to invest their tax evading dosh. They know English fans won't accept no relegation/promotion type leagues so they are doing it by stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stedcfc Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I think there is a hidden point here. Over a period of time, the Elite PPP (too many P's?), combined with the parachute payments will effectively stop clubs climbing the league pyramid. It is all designed to keep the top clubs safely esconced at the top table. Many foreign investors are not happy at the risk of relegation from the Premier League so these rules are designed to stop the "trickle down" effect and lead to a more stable base for them to invest their tax evading dosh. They know English fans won't accept no relegation/promotion type leagues so they are doing it by stealth. Yep very true FFP will make teams with parachute payments stroll back into the premier league. We need to get up in the next couple of years or we'll struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I used to think that the Albion's nickname of Boing Boing Baggies was due to their style of play but it originated from their regularly alternating between the top of the championship and the bottom of the premiership. They prospered from the parachute payments and also from keeping the same squad as a coherent team regardless of which division they happened to be in at the time. I am, and always will be, a Derby County supporter but in common with a great many other teams, they seem to fall into the trap of having a constantly changing squad of often mercenary players who are only in it for what will enhance their transfer fee. Some managers (eg Mick McCarthy) are excellent at meeting the challenge of developing a team which will gain promotion but not so good at the weekly grind of survival. Many good man managers have been sacked within weeks of being hailed as heroes for getting their teams of minnows promoted into a larger pool only to find that their are some serious sharks waiting to devour them. Why does the premier league cause a seismic shift in the make up and shape of many a good team which gains promotion? This leads to a stagnant pool of so called top players from all corners of the globe, with a nominal title of a local team (eg Derby County) but with no affinity with the area and no loyalty to local fans. Promotion is pointless? I agree when I consider the effect on a local team and the distancing of prima donnas from the supporters, Onca again it all comes down to money. Even this would be tolerable if it was ploughed back into the team but to quote Brian... It ends up in the pockets of investors who know less about football than that picture on my wall. (And probably care less too!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otrivin Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I used to think that the Albion's nickname of Boing Boing Baggies was due to their style of play but it originated from their regularly alternating between the top of the championship and the bottom of the premiership. They prospered from the parachute payments and also from keeping the same squad as a coherent team regardless of which division they happened to be in at the time. I am, and always will be, a Derby County supporter but in common with a great many other teams, they seem to fall into the trap of having a constantly changing squad of often mercenary players who are only in it for what will enhance their transfer fee. Some managers (eg Mick McCarthy) are excellent at meeting the challenge of developing a team which will gain promotion but not so good at the weekly grind of survival. Many good man managers have been sacked within weeks of being hailed as heroes for getting their teams of minnows promoted into a larger pool only to find that their are some serious sharks waiting to devour them. Why does the premier league cause a seismic shift in the make up and shape of many a good team which gains promotion? This leads to a stagnant pool of so called top players from all corners of the globe, with a nominal title of a local team (eg Derby County) but with no affinity with the area and no loyalty to local fans. Promotion is pointless? I agree when I consider the effect on a local team and the distancing of prima donnas from the supporters, Onca again it all comes down to money. Even this would be tolerable if it was ploughed back into the team but to quote Brian... It ends up in the pockets of investors who know less about football than that picture on my wall. (And probably care less too!) I would say Boring Boring Derby. This is the worst football i have ever seen by Derby. Bye bye Clough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I would say Boring Boring Derby. This is the worst football i have ever seen by Derby. Bye bye Clough. You do realise you don't have to watch it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archram Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 You do realise you don't have to watch it.... Damn it, Mr T, nobody ever told me that before! 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> My dad always told me it was oblgatory to watch The Rams, and I've passed it to my sons and granddaughters. I shall alert them immediately now I know that, but I don't think they'll believe me! 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoggy Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I would say Boring Boring Derby. This is the worst football i have ever seen by Derby. Bye bye Clough. Surly this is Cloughs last chance, can he get away with another relegation scap season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Surly this is Cloughs last chance, can he get away with another relegation scap season? Three more seasons at least - doubt he'd resign and doubt the board will sack him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top 6 finish Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 One thing that has been forgotten is the amount of money you can make while in the Premier League.Depending on the amount of games televised and the final league position it is possible to make 30m-5om. After the above rules came into force the Financial Consultants Grant Thorntons produced a model on how promoted clubs can eventually become a stable Premier team.I'm not going into the boring details but it depended on beiing a yo-yo club for 2 or3 seasons.FFP shouldn't affect the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I would really like to see Derby play at the highest level, so I don't think it's pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramexpat Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 you need points for promotion so ....... pointless ... i dont think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 should a better title for the thread be "pointless talking about promotion"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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