CumbrianRam Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Ok there is a lot of debate over the quality of NC's signings in his almost 3 years at DCFC, so I will set up this thread to gage people's views on them. Permanent Chris Porter Lee Croft Dean Moxey Jake Buxton Ben Pringle Shuan Barker Saul Deeney Medi Abalimba Lee Hendrie Russel Anderson John Brayford James Bailey Gareth Roberts Conor Doyle Ben Davies Michael Boulding Craig Bryson Jason Shackell Chris Maquire Nathan Tyson Adam Legzdins Chris Riggott Loan John Eustace Barry Bannan Jake Livermore Paul Dickov James Vaughan Fredrik Stoor DJ Campbell Lee Johnson Nicky Hunt Javan Vidal Michael Tonge Gilles Sunu Alberto Bueno Shefki Kuqi Luke Moore Ryan Noble Daniel Sanchez Ayala Matt Duke Brad Jones Kevin Kilbane Tamas Priskin Loan turned into permanent Dave Martin Tomasz Cywka Frank Fielding Jamie Ward Theo Robinson Tom Naylor Seems an awful lot of players mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilks Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Permanent Chris Porter - Indifferent Lee Croft - Indifferent Dean Moxey - Good Jake Buxton - Good Ben Pringle - Indifferent Shuan Barker - Good Saul Deeney - Good Medi Abalimba - Indifferent Lee Hendrie - Good Russel Anderson - Good John Brayford - Good James Bailey - Good Gareth Roberts - Good Conor Doyle - Indifferent Ben Davies - Good Michael Boulding - Indifferent Craig Bryson - Good Jason Shackell - Good Chris Maquire - Indifferent Nathan Tyson - Good Adam Legzdins - Good Chris Riggott - Indifferent Loan turned into permanent Dave Martin - Bad Tomasz Cywka - Good Frank Fielding - Good Jamie Ward - Good Theo Robinson - Good Tom Naylor - ? All in all, Nigel has done very well indeed in the transfer market with such a derisory budget to play with. This thread just highlights that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Pretty much agree with mcsilks... apart from Theo....best value for money signing since Phil Gee imo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Im still not convinced giving him a good budget would help. Without a doubt he has the worst contacts/scouting network of any manager we have had that I can think of. Certainly since the influx of foreign players have hit our country. Lets not forget bueno only came because of Metgods contacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 All in all, Nigel has done very well indeed in the transfer market with such a derisory budget to play with. This thread just highlights that. I, not suprisingly, disagree.. Very well, in comparison to who? George Burley makes mince meat of this lot.. Ive seen better players signed for less and worse players signed for more.. I think NC as done an OK job in the transfer market, George Burley did alot better and Paul Jewell alot worse I'd give Clough a 6/10 for his signings Players like Bayford, Bailey and Fielding were decent given the money Ward, Robinson, Buxton, Cywka and just about Shackell were good/average for the money Players like Barker, Porter, Bryson, B.Davies, Maguire, Tyson, Martin, Croft, Roberts (about $3mill + for that lot) and it could have been spent on far far better players.. I'm not just writing off players ability here, as Maguire does have ability, but the way NC has used them.. Every manager makes mistakes, George Burley made a few howlers with the likes of Konjic, Tome, Junior etc.. But managers live by the good ones, it just depends how good are the good ones.. NCs best signings aren't even standout NPC sides, and his bad ones are terrible.. I simply will not believe this ridiculous concept that NC has worked wonders in the transfer market or that no-one could do any better.. I cannot believe it, as I have seen managers given far worse circumstances and come out alot better The $1mill dollar question I'd like to now is, if given $6mill to spend what type of player woul Clough go for.. Would he look to pick up a player like Commons, Taraabt, Scott Sinclair, Le Fondre, Bueno etc.. or would he go for a few more $1mill singings like Eustace, Barker, Howard etc.. Basically grafters with little quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilks Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I, not suprisingly, disagree.. Very well, in comparison to who? George Burley makes mince meat of this lot.. Ive seen better players signed for less and worse players signed for more.. I think NC as done an OK job in the transfer market, George Burley did alot better and Paul Jewell alot worse I don't believe we can compare managers operating in the current transfer market to those that had to operate in the days of George Burley. You got a whole lot more for your money in those days and football wasn't as money driven as it is nowadays. Bargains are very, very hard to find and any British youngsters are overpriced. Any that show a little talent are snapped up by the bigger clubs. Why don't we look at this a different way to discuss whether Clough has done a good job in the transfer market. If he were to try and sell the players that he has brought in, how much are they likely to be worth and would he be in profit? I would suggest that he would be massively in profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekkie_ram Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Im still not convinced giving him a good budget would help. Without a doubt he has the worst contacts/scouting network of any manager we have had that I can think of. Certainly since the influx of foreign players have hit our country. Lets not forget bueno only came because of Metgods contacts. I can't understand the criticism of his scouting network, we have some real gems for a pittance. Finding real young talent from places like Kilmarnock, whilst always keeping an eye on local talent. Picking up unheard of players from Crewe and turning them into established Championship players. His network reflects his budget, if he had £1gazillion, then he'd probably have a few more scouts in a few more places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekkie_ram Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Overall he's done well for the money spent. I look forward to next summer, when Pearson, Leacock & Bywater are off the budget, and Green is either off the budget, or takes a small cut. Then their is scope to truly judge Nigel. After next summer it will be completely his side, he will have patiently built his own squad, and he will live/die based on next season. This season was always about improvement, and I have confidence that a fit squad can compete towards a mid-table finish. His appointment was for the long term, you can't change a squad in a season on a small budget. And you cannot legislate for our bad luck with injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Permanent Chris Porter - Poor - injured too much, but probably not Nigel's fault (unless it really is the training regime that is the cause) Lee Croft - Indifferent - eecently promoted from poor, possibly about to get relegated again Dean Moxey - Indifferent - was occaisionaly good but usually average, we probably made an overall loss given the agents fees etc Jake Buxton - Indifferent - cheap, average but too many injuries to be good Ben Pringle - Indifferent - cheap, poor but no loss made Shuan Barker - Good - I also believe that we still have not seen the best of him Saul Deeney - Poor - cheap back up who is never available when needed Medi Abalimba - Poor - never played for the first team and cost money in wages Lee Hendrie - Poor - a worthwhile gamble that failed Russel Anderson Poor - made of chocolate John Brayford - Good - bogof bargain James Bailey - Good - see above Gareth Roberts - Good - cheap and OK Conor Doyle - Indifferent - cheap and still developing but needs to improve quickly Ben Davies - Good - I reckon then Priskin will start to make Ben look even more productive Michael Boulding - Indifferent - cost nothing Craig Bryson - Good - cheap enough and reasonable at this level Jason Shackell - Good - solid centre-half Chris Maquire - Indifferent - avaerage so far Nathan Tyson - Poor - an unproductive drain on resources Adam Legzdins - Good - been good cover, even an arguement that he deserves a chance as no. 1 given FF's average form Chris Riggott - Poor - assuming that he is paid when he doesn't play Loan John Eustace - Poor Barry Bannan - Indifferent Jake Livermore - Poor Paul Dickov - Good James Vaughan - Poor Fredrik Stoor - Good DJ Campbell - Good Lee Johnson - Good Nicky Hunt - Indifferent Javan Vidal - Poor Michael Tonge - Good Gilles Sunu - Poor Alberto Bueno - Good Shefki Kuqi - Good Luke Moore - Indifferent Ryan Noble - Poor Daniel Sanchez Ayala - Good Matt Duke - Poor - cost money for no product Brad Jones - Poor Kevin Kilbane - Indifferent Tamas Priskin - Good...so far Tom Naylor - ?, moved from bottom list as he's not signed yet Loan turned into permanent Dave Martin - Poor - the invisible man Tomasz Cywka - Indifferent, out of favour but cheap Frank Fielding - Good, but needs to return to form soon Jamie Ward - Good, a willing and skillful player Theo Robinson - Good - suprisingly enough Overall I think that Nigel has done pretty well in the transfer market. All managers have failures and at least Nigel's have been cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Many of us dont think his problem are in the transfer market, its the rest of his management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOB BIGGS Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Overall he's done well for the money spent. I look forward to next summer, when Pearson, Leacock & Bywater are off the budget, and Green is either off the budget, or takes a small cut. Then their is scope to truly judge Nigel. After next summer it will be completely his side, he will have patiently built his own squad, and he will live/die based on next season. This season was always about improvement, and I have confidence that a fit squad can compete towards a mid-table finish. His appointment was for the long term, you can't change a squad in a season on a small budget. And you cannot legislate for our bad luck with injuries. Excellent. Saved me from having to type anything further! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Many of us dont think his problem are in the transfer market, its the rest of his management. Indeed the list of problems with his general management are longer than that list of players. His transfer record is ok and probably the strongest area of his tenure here, although not as good as some on here make out. He has signed some good players at low prices Brayford and Bailey are good examples, but on the flip side, one look at that list shows how wasteful he can be as well. What really makes me laugh though is when people say we will really see what NC can do when Leacock, Byebyewater, Pearson and Green are off the wagebill. People seem to be suffering from selective amnesia, NC extended the contracts of Green, Pearson and Byewater. Leacock is the only player that he has not had any real input with. So these "restrictions" in the wage bill that he has to contend with are down to his own mismanagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Hindge Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Permanent Chris Porter - Looked like a poor mans Hulse. Average signing Lee Croft - Good signing, just needs to convince Nige Dean Moxey - Good signing, just failed to convince Nige Jake Buxton - Good signing, far too injury prone mind Ben Pringle - Good siging cheap and provided cover at a time we needed it. Shuan Barker - Very good signing, will improve as season goes on. Saul Deeney - Meh! Alright, cheap cover. Medi Abalimba - Sh!te signing. Lee Hendrie - Good deal for the club just didnt work out for the team. Russel Anderson - Same as Buxton John Brayford - Very Good signing James Bailey - Good signing, more to come. Gareth Roberts - Good free transfer, steady player Conor Doyle - Good signing, can see a good player there.....somewhere Ben Davies - Good signing, Dont think he should be played out wide though. Michael Boulding - Meh! Didnt cost owt did he? Craig Bryson - Good signing and will get better IMO Jason Shackell - Good signing settled well Chris Maquire - Think he could end up being a Dickenson, is that Niges fault? Probably so for now bad signing! Nathan Tyson - I like him to have a run in the Derby team as think he could do well for us, cant really judge him yet as been injured Adam Legzdins - Good signing will push FF for a starting place Chris Riggott - Meh! think he is on a pay as you play so we aint lost anything.......yet! Loan John Eustace - Good Barry Bannan - Good Jake Livermore - Average for us Paul Dickov - Very Good James Vaughan - Meh! wasnt nige's fault he got injured Fredrik Stoor - Very Good DJ Campbell - Good Lee Johnson - Good Nicky Hunt - Average Javan Vidal - Not very good Michael Tonge - Good Gilles Sunu - Average Alberto Bueno - Good Shefki Kuqi - Good Luke Moore - Average Ryan Noble - Average Daniel Sanchez Ayala - Good Matt Duke - We needed cover he provided it! Brad Jones - Ok Kevin Kilbane - Average, provides cover in a number of positions but hink theere were better LB's available Tamas Priskin - Average played well again Ammers but dont really rate hope he proves me wrong! Loan turned into permanent Dave Martin - Could of worked out for him just think nige has given p on him, Bad siging Tomasz Cywka - Good needs to work harder Frank Fielding - Good, hopefully will get better Jamie Ward - Good Theo Robinson - Good, hopefully will get better Tom Naylor - Seems good not seen yet though That's pretty dam good ratio from our Nige, dont think ppl can qquestion his transfers but could question him being so stuborn when it comes to certain players and sometimes his bizare team selections and subs, I'm still very happy with him and very happy how the team is progressing under him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NothernRam Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'm still very happy with him and very happy how the team is progressing under him!!! What team are you talking about? We have the most talentless team in the league that plays crap hoofball week in week out. This team isn't any better than three years ago. This squad is cheaper and have no quality though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 What team are you talking about? We have the most talentless team in the league that plays crap hoofball week in week out. This team isn't any better than three years ago. This squad is cheaper and have no quality though. I'm not sure if you don't watch much football other than Derby, but that statement is bold, and is very close to being completely untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Hindge Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 What team are you talking about? Derby??? Duurrrrrrr We have the most talentless team in the league that plays crap hoofball week in week out. Thats just not true This team isn't any better than three years ago. This squad is cheaper and have no quality though. I guess we disagree....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilks Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 We have the most talentless team in the league that plays crap hoofball week in week out. This is the same team that passed Southampton of the park for a long period of their game and has recorded some very easy wins thus far this season. Granted our football has not been the best at times but our injury list has much to do with that. You never have anything good to say about the club. I thouroughly despise your attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NothernRam Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 This is the same team that passed Southampton of the park for a long period of their game and has recorded some very easy wins thus far this season. Granted our football has not been the best at times but our injury list has much to do with that. You never have anything good to say about the club. I thouroughly despise your attitude. Just LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilks Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Just LOL. Are you doubting it?! We created numerous chances and for 20 minutes we were all over them. Are you blind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NothernRam Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Are you doubting it?! We created numerous chances and for 20 minutes we were all over them. Are you blind? I'm afraid your head is too deep in Clough's arse to watch Derby matches properly. I hate pink colour and sound of happy clappy. Get off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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