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uttoxram75

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The real irony of the forest situation is that if Shteeve had played McGugan, Majeswki and Findlay instead of Greening, Reid and Derbyshire, they would have been more of a threat and the fans would have given him more time!

What a tosser! When he was managing England he made himself look a complete knob by calling the players "JT", "Stevie G", etc. Doughty is right to blame himself for appointing him.

And why the **** doesn't he get rid of that pathetic tuft on his forehead?

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p.shilton

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I dont go on, but I wonder if there is a thread 79 pages long on the Scum forum about us.

There's hardly going to be much talk about us as we are at the other end of the table having spent a fraction of what they have, we recently beat them with 10 men at at "their" ground they don't actually own which is significantly worse than ours and they can't fill, we have a manager they would kill for- theirs has just walked, our financial future is secure whereas their sugar daddy and only reason they made it into the champ has said he's not playing any more. Given these reasons it's hardly surprising we are "discussing" Forest more avidly than they are us! 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

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From the NEP;

"Aston Villa first-team coach Kevin McDonald, MK Dons boss Karl Robinson, former Barnsley manager Mark Robins and Exeter's Paul Tisdale are all understood to be in the frame."

"With Nigel Doughty set to scale back his investment in the club when he steps down as chairman at the end of the season and with the impending financial fair play rules set to come in to force next season, Forest will work on a tighter budget.

And they believe that an up-and-coming manager, with a knowledge of lower league football, could be the answer.

With that in mind, Forest are already believed to have made contact with Hart about a possible return to the club, in a mentoring role."

Looks like they're preparing for life in league 1 with no money 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

"Former boss Billy Davies is not a target, nor is Phil Brown, the Preston manager."

Aaaah, shame 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

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There's hardly going to be much talk about us as we are at the other end of the table having spent a fraction of what they have, we recently beat them with 10 men at at "their" ground they don't actually own which is significantly worse than ours and they can't fill, we have a manager they would kill for- theirs has just walked, our financial future is secure whereas their sugar daddy and only reason they made it into the champ has said he's not playing any more. Given these reasons it's hardly surprising we are "discussing" Forest more avidly than they are us! 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

So they had one last season then ?
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get Big Ron in........ 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ph34r' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':ph34r:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

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uttoxram75

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Article from the beeb...like the last sentence! 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

I don't believe a football manager can be judged after 112 days and 10 league games. But a manager can assess the merits of his chairman after that period.

And Steve McClaren felt the glossy brochure waved in front of him in June had become decidedly moth-eaten three months later. We'll never know what exactly was discussed at that recruitment meeting, but soon we had a chasm in perception of just how Nottingham Forest could prosper - and that chasm separated the two most important people at the club.

McClaren had dropped enough hints about his disaffection lately and I understand he was going to resign after the Birmingham match at the weekend whatever the result.

He'd been knocked back too often on deals for players on loan after the penny had dropped with him that there wasn't a great deal of money available for transfers.

He'd seen Sven-Goran Eriksson spend around £15m on new recruits at Leicester and Sam Allardyce building a sizeable squad at West Ham in their own bids for Championship promotion.

A proud man, aware that his reputation was vulnerable on returning to English football, McClaren saw no point in the slow death of false dawns and bromides to the media about rebuilding, patience and the long haul.<p class="story-feature ">

McClaren's Forest reign

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  • Appointed on 13 June
  • In charge for 112 days
  • Left with Forest fourth from bottom in the Championship, one point above the relegation zone
  • His team picked up eight points from 10 games
  • Forest failed to win at home in five games when he was in charge

Once his chairman started talking about the Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules that are due to come into effect next season in Forest's division, McClaren knew that the heady days of June, when the club were dreaming about getting back into the Premier League at the first attempt, had shrivelled into autumnal anti-climax.

It's to his credit that he hasn't taken a penny in pay-off, aware that he had found the experience at a lower level more daunting than he had anticipated. He just couldn't impose the right tactical formula on his team - and he was surprised that some of his players didn't share his zeal for hard daily shifts on the training ground, where he could challenge them.

McClaren recently compared the tactical maturity and eloquence of Dutch and German players with their English counterparts, and sadly said that many English players didn't want to be stretched mentally.

The whole experience proved a rude awakening. It will be a surprise if he has a future in English football over the next few years. There is too much baggage, too many preconceptions about him.

As for Nigel Doughty, [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15151080.stm]who is stepping down as chairman, I wonder if he will want to stay on as owner in the long term. A committed, lifelong Forest supporter, he has sunk £70m of his own money into Forest in his decade as chairman, but still the club can't return to the Premier League, 12 years since they last played in the top flight. Surely no one would blame him if he walked away.

But if he does stay, I understand that the financial restrictions will be daunting. Instead of allowing himself to be persuaded to dip into the coffers at times when his manager is really pushing for a player, the plan is to give the new boss a sum per season that will cover transfers and loan deals - and that will be that. The cloth at Forest will be cut even more austerely.

So that prospect will not appeal to any of the big names who are regularly in the frame when such a vacancy appears.

Then there is the uncertainty whether the owner will still be in charge next season. Why would that scenario entice a Martin O'Neill, a Roy Keane or an Alan Curbishley?

I believe Forest will cast their net more realistically, for a manager who knows all about the grind of coping in the lower divisions and won't be too impatient. Someone like Sean O'Driscoll or Mark Robins would suit the scaled-down vision of Nigel Doughty after his vanity appointment in June failed.

At least Doughty had the good grace to acknowledge his mistake in appointing McClaren one day after he had sacked Billy Davies, the opinionated little Glaswegian battler who had taken Forest to two successive play-off semi-finals.

Forest overachieved under Davies, as he kept warning that the club needed, in his words, "two or three stellar signings". Today Davies can feel vindicated about his constant warnings about the necessity for fresh, proven players.

I wonder if he would have been sacked if McClaren had not been available? We will never know. And I wonder if the chairman would ever admit that? Mr Doughty is not one for regular dialogue with the media, so we'll just have to draw our own conclusions.

So the verdict on the McClaren regime will be wrong place, wrong time, wrong manager. But at least he fell on his sword with dignity, avoiding a protracted, messy saga.

Is it too much to hope that the Forest players will now take a forensic look at themselves, ask if they could have done more for their manager and wonder just why they're not plying their trades in the top flight?

Perhaps, as McClaren suspected, they're just not good enough.

A lot has changed in football since 1999, but Nottingham Forest FC still flatter to deceive. Spare us the nonsense about it being "a massive club" when the new manager is appointed and poses with the obligatory scarf on the centre circle.

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Red_Dawn

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We article you put on we were discussing on LTLF yesterday. It is written by a bloke who has known and has been friends with McClaren for years. The fact of the matter is he was a hopeless manager who turned a good team into an absolute shambles within 5 months. Deserved the sack weeks ago.

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We article you put on we were discussing on LTLF yesterday. It is written by a bloke who has known and has been friends with McClaren for years. The fact of the matter is he was a hopeless manager who turned a good team into an absolute shambles within 5 months. Deserved the sack weeks ago.

You do realise, don't you, that it has all gond wrong since Knock em out Tyson made the switch to the promised land hasn't it.!

Stevie Mac is a good manager, you should have given him what he wanted, having said that.....you shouldn't have got rid of King Billy....

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You do realise, don't you, that it has all gond wrong since Knock em out Tyson made the switch to the promised land hasn't it.!

Stevie Mac is a good manager, you should have given him what he wanted, having said that.....you shouldn't have got rid of King Billy....

He's not a good manager, he's a good coach. And whats this with calling Billy Davies 'King Billy'? In what world does he deserve that title?

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He is the third best manager we have had in the last 36 years, that's why. ...fingers crossed they get Shearer...

You see!!! Third best maybe but he is still a vertically challenged cnut who got found out in the premiership when your player knowledge has to extend past Preston old boys & the SPL...

I hope they get Roy Keane, seeing him implode once again would be a joy to watch...

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