admira Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Name Played % of games won Brian Clough / 289 / 46.7% Dave Mackay / 158 / 44.3% Roy McFarland / 102 / 43.1% Arthur Cox / 453 / 40.6% George Burley / 107 / 36.4% Jim Smith / 281 / 35.2% Billy Davies / 89 / 34.8% Colin Addison / 105 / 31.4% Nigel Clough / 113 / 30.9% Tommy Docherty / 78 / 30.8% John Gregory / 55 / 29.1% Peter Taylor / 66 / 28.8% Colin Todd / 17 / 23.5% Phil Brown / 33 / 21.2% Paul Jewell / 58 / 20.7% Colin Murphy / 35 / 20.0% John Newman / 35 / 17.1% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tealewasgod Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretDave Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Name Played % of games won Brian Clough / 289 / 46.7% Dave Mackay / 158 / 44.3% Roy McFarland / 102 / 43.1% Arthur Cox / 453 / 40.6% George Burley / 107 / 36.4% Jim Smith / 281 / 35.2% Billy Davies / 89 / 34.8% Colin Addison / 105 / 31.4% Nigel Clough / 113 / 30.9% Tommy Docherty / 78 / 30.8% John Gregory / 55 / 29.1% Peter Taylor / 66 / 28.8% Colin Todd / 17 / 23.5% Phil Brown / 33 / 21.2% Paul Jewell / 58 / 20.7% Colin Murphy / 35 / 20.0% John Newman / 35 / 17.1% Interesting stats there. Very interesting to see George Burley so high up the list. He had one of the worst boards in the club's history, yet was still successful, getting us up to 4th place and playing some fantastic football. I'd love to see him back at Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Interesting stats there. Very interesting to see George Burley so high up the list. He had one of the worst boards in the club's history, yet was still successful, getting us up to 4th place and playing some fantastic football. I'd love to see him back at Derby. Certainly are interesting. A lot of people would look back and consider Roy Mac a bad manager for us but his stats say other wise... As for Burley, depsite his poor showing at Palace, I'd have him back here in a heartbeat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Not really the best indicative stats. It should really be the % wins over the same number of games for each manager to give a true comparison The more games a manager has then the more chances he has to up his win ratio. For example Arthur Cox reached 40.6% of wins over 453 games whilst John Gregory reached 29.1% over only 55 games. To truly compare you would have to say “How many wins did Arthur Cox reach in his first 55 games†or how many wins would Gregory have had if he’d been given another 400 go’s! (which we’ll never know) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Interesting stats there. Very interesting to see George Burley so high up the list. He had one of the worst boards in the club's history, yet was still successful, getting us up to 4th place and playing some fantastic football. I'd love to see him back at Derby. Yes, interesting to see Burley higher up the list than Davies...like someone else has said...just numbers... I prefer to look at it as...who did the job they were paid to do....get us promoted...win the league Brian Clough YES Dave Mackay YES Arthur Cox YES Jim Smith YES Billy Davies YES The rest...... a resounding NO..and some of them in a mind blowingly bad way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Interesting stats there. Very interesting to see George Burley so high up the list. He had one of the worst boards in the club's history, yet was still successful, getting us up to 4th place and playing some fantastic football. I'd love to see him back at Derby. A bad board, but he spent money. I wouldn't particularly want him back. They are really interesting stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretDave Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 A bad board, but he spent money. I wouldn't particularly want him back. They are really interesting stats. I believe he only spent a net of £50k in transfer fees, that was on Michael Johnson, the rest of the signings were free transfers. I don't think the wages spent on the squad back then were particularly high either. One of the things that I like about George Burley is how good he is at nurturing young talent. He has helped to start the careers of players such as Kieron Dyer, Darren Bent, Gareth Bale and our very own Tom Huddlestone and Lee Camp. Not enough players come through our youth system these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Just looking at that list - how many were sacked and how many resigned? I'm thinking that almost all were sacked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mice_elf Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 A bad board, but he spent money. I wouldn't particularly want him back. They are really interesting stats. How much money did Burley spend? Idiakez, Rasziak, Jeff Kenna, Michael Johnson, Ian Taylor,Paul Peschisolido were all free transfers. In over 2 years in charge, has Clough come anywhere near 'frees' of that calibre? Didn't Burley bring in Leon Osman on loan? The most successful loan transfer in the history of this club, & probably the best we'll ever have. Maybe Burley's lost his mojo in the intervening years, but I'd still take him over Clough & his cohorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretDave Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Just looking at that list - how many were sacked and how many resigned? I'm thinking that almost all were sacked? I know that both Arthur Cox and George Burley resigned. Arthur Cox due to a bad back, and George Burley probably because he didn't get on with the three amigos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretDave Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 How much money did Burley spend? Idiakez, Rasziak, Jeff Kenna, Michael Johnson, Ian Taylor,Paul Peschisolido were all free transfers. In over 2 years in charge, has Clough come anywhere near 'frees' of that calibre? Didn't Burley bring in Leon Osman on loan? The most successful loan transfer in the history of this club, & probably the best we'll ever have. Maybe Burley's lost his mojo in the intervening years, but I'd still take him over Clough & his cohorts. Totally agree. George still thinks alot of Derby too, I was reading an interview on the BBC website from earlier in the season: [iNDENT]Burley takes Palace to his former club Derby County on Saturday and says he's looking forward to returning to Pride Park where he spent two seasons but resigned claiming his position was "untenable". "I really enjoyed my time at Derby, the fans were terrific and it was a great club to work for," he said. "In football you move on and I've been at a number of good Championship sides over the years where I've been very fortunate to be the manager. "But they are very loyal fans, great traditions since the Brian Clough era, they really love their football and there's always a good atmosphere at Pride Park." [/iNDENT] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Totally agree. George still thinks alot of Derby too, I was reading an interview on the BBC website from earlier in the season: [iNDENT]Burley takes Palace to his former club Derby County on Saturday and says he's looking forward to returning to Pride Park where he spent two seasons but resigned claiming his position was "untenable". "I really enjoyed my time at Derby, the fans were terrific and it was a great club to work for," he said. "In football you move on and I've been at a number of good Championship sides over the years where I've been very fortunate to be the manager. "But they are very loyal fans, great traditions since the Brian Clough era, they really love their football and there's always a good atmosphere at Pride Park." [/iNDENT] Has he been drinking again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretDave Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Has he been drinking again? There did used to be a good atmosphere when he was here because the football was usually great to watch, unlike what's on show at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 How much money did Burley spend? Idiakez, Rasziak, Jeff Kenna, Michael Johnson, Ian Taylor,Paul Peschisolido were all free transfers. In over 2 years in charge, has Clough come anywhere near 'frees' of that calibre? Didn't Burley bring in Leon Osman on loan? The most successful loan transfer in the history of this club, & probably the best we'll ever have. Maybe Burley's lost his mojo in the intervening years, but I'd still take him over Clough & his cohorts. Yep, all great players...but where did it get us...exactly nowhere...but when Mr Davies came in and got rid of them all...what happened then...? I would say that apart from his days at Ipswich that Burley has a less than average record as a manager, in fact, after the mess he made in charge of Scotland, Southampton and Palace I would say he actually has a pretty pathetic record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcdavecov Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 There did used to be a good atmosphere when he was here because the football was usually great to watch, unlike what's on show at the moment! I was having a dig at him about his drinking.....he left Derby under a cloud about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretDave Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Yep, all great players...but where did it get us...exactly nowhere...but when Mr Davies came in and got rid of them all...what happened then...? I would say that apart from his days at Ipswich that Burley has a less than average record as a manager, in fact, after the mess he made in charge of Scotland, Southampton and Palace I would say he actually has a pretty pathetic record. Well I don't think that Burley could have done any better than he did at Derby. When you've not no money to spend at all and you manage to finish 4th in the league with a team of players bought on free transfers, that's a pretty incredible achievement if you ask me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretDave Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I was having a dig at him about his drinking.....he left Derby under a cloud about that. You would think that Nigel's been drinking when you look at some of his team selections! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mice_elf Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Yep, all great players...but where did it get us...exactly nowhere...but when Mr Davies came in and got rid of them all...what happened then...? I would say that apart from his days at Ipswich that Burley has a less than average record as a manager, in fact, after the mess he made in charge of Scotland, Southampton and Palace I would say he actually has a pretty pathetic record. Where did it get us? Burley took us over when we were staring relegation in the face due to Gregory's incompetence & kept us up 2002/3. By 2004/5 despite spending naff all, he had us finishing 4th. Davies got rid of 'em all did he? Rasiak was sold for £2.5mill before Davies came in. Did the great Billy Davies make a net profit of £2.5mill from any of his transfer dealings? Davies took over from Phil Brown/Terry Westley, by which time Taylor/Kenna had retired & Reich had already moved on. Huddlestone, Tudgay & Camp all broke through under Burley, Hudds & Tuggy were sold before Davies arrived. The only regulars from Burley's Play-off team that Davies inherited were Michael Johnson, Morten Bisgaard, Paul Peschisolido & Lee Camp. The first 3 named all made significant contributions to the Davies Promotion campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Where did it get us? Burley took us over when we were staring relegation in the face due to Gregory's incompetence & kept us up 2002/3. By 2004/5 despite spending naff all, he had us finishing 4th. Davies got rid of 'em all did he? Rasiak was sold for £2.5mill before Davies came in. Did the great Billy Davies make a net profit of £2.5mill from any of his transfer dealings? Davies took over from Phil Brown/Terry Westley, by which time Taylor/Kenna had retired & Reich had already moved on. Huddlestone, Tudgay & Camp all broke through under Burley, Hudds & Tuggy were sold before Davies arrived. The only regulars from Burley's Play-off team that Davies inherited were Michael Johnson, Morten Bisgaard, Paul Peschisolido & Lee Camp. The first 3 named all made significant contributions to the Davies Promotion campaign. And....? What did Burley win us..?? Absolutely nothing.. Football is all about winning....Davies defeated Burley twice in the play offs..he is a winner...Burley isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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