ariotofmyown Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 10 hours ago, MrsRam said: bet365Verified account @bet365 Apr 14 More Derby spent more last summer than Brentford have in their 127-year history. Brentford 4-0 Derby We need to get back to basics - basic football. It's not hard really is it. I suspect it is, but it bloody shouldn't be. It's like we're in such a good place, we're overthinking. Trying to do too much, throwing money at it doesn't help, it makes matters worse by putting too much pressure on us. We need to cut back and freshen up a bit. Easier said than done I know but when you see the above stat - it's not all about money. Sounds like a bad stat but there are probably a lot of clubs the same as that. Our sales last summer were also more than Brentford have spent in their 127 year history. A lot of us on here have probably earnt more money in our life than Brentford spent in their first 100 years or so, when they probably spent nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripperg-ram Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 Although I disagree with the OP, I do think that the honeymoon period following SM's first tenure has now faded and players who I've defended on here over this season (namely JR and Bryson) are now all in the mix to be sold off. I think losing to Brentford was probably good for us. That vain hope of reaching the play offs was just continuing to paper over some cracks. unlike earlier in the season I'm really not bothered who we get rid of when Rowett decides to cash in on a few. We certainly don't need to get rid of them all, but we have a bloated smorgasbord of a squad and could do with a bit more grit and honesty in our players. Ince for example is our top scorer and arguably player of the season, but I have no affinity to him and if he can't play for anyone other than SM then I wouldnt mind if we recouped the money we got for him, bought two £1m pound lower league prospects and shaved a bit off the wage bill. its only really Hughes that I'd like to keep, mainly as I'd like to see him captain us in the Prem and be our Gerrard, but I really don't care if any of the other players were sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Stripperg-ram said: Although I disagree with the OP, I do think that the honeymoon period following SM's first tenure has now faded and players who I've defended on here over this season (namely JR and Bryson) are now all in the mix to be sold off. I think losing to Brentford was probably good for us. That vain hope of reaching the play offs was just continuing to paper over some cracks. unlike earlier in the season I'm really not bothered who we get rid of when Rowett decides to cash in on a few. We certainly don't need to get rid of them all, but we have a bloated smorgasbord of a squad and could do with a bit more grit and honesty in our players. Ince for example is our top scorer and arguably player of the season, but I have no affinity to him and if he can't play for anyone other than SM then I wouldnt mind if we recouped the money we got for him, bought two £1m pound lower league prospects and shaved a bit off the wage bill. its only really Hughes that I'd like to keep, mainly as I'd like to see him captain us in the Prem and be our Gerrard, but I really don't care if any of the other players were sold. i cant see how they have all become poor players overnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, barnsley ram said: i cant see how they have all become poor players overnight They haven't. They are what they are, inconsistent and mentally fragile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 1 hour ago, RoyMac5 said: They haven't. They are what they are, inconsistent and mentally fragile. what all of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, barnsley ram said: what all of them Enough of them - it'll be Rowett's toughest task sorting out which is which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazloW Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 If these players are all so crap, then who is going to buy them? Presumably, they are only good enough for lower Championship teams or League 1. If the players are just mercenaries, then are these clubs going to pay them what they want? Don't think it's as simple to get rid of em all and start again than many would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 4 hours ago, barnsley ram said: i cant see how they have all become poor players overnight Were they ever that good? judging by what iv seen from many of them over the last couple of seasons i think its safe to say certain clubs saw us coming, licked their lips and stuck a couple of extra million onto the price tags we've paid some horribly over inflated fees for some very average players. as brentford showed at the weekend theres a hell of a lot better out there available for a lot less if mel is going to any more throwing about of his cash i suggest its on a competant scouting/recruitment team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomInceOnFire Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 18 hours ago, MrsRam said: bet365Verified account @bet365 Apr 14 More Derby spent more last summer than Brentford have in their 127-year history. Brentford 4-0 Derby We need to get back to basics - basic football. It's not hard really is it. I suspect it is, but it bloody shouldn't be. It's like we're in such a good place, we're overthinking. Trying to do too much, throwing money at it doesn't help, it makes matters worse by putting too much pressure on us. We need to cut back and freshen up a bit. Easier said than done I know but when you see the above stat - it's not all about money. Brentford spends 16/17 Sergi Canos - £2.47m Rico Henry - £1.53m Florian Jozefzoon - £383k Total = £4.38m 15/16 Andreas Bjelland - £2.13m Philipp Hofmann - £1.70m Maxime Colin - £1.28m Ryan Woods - £1.16m Lasse Vibe - £1.11m Josh McEachran - £884k Yoann Barbet - £595k Total = £8.85m 14/15 Jota - £1.28m Lewis MacLeod - £1.09m Moses Odubajo - £1.06m Scott Hogan - £808k Andre Gray - £527k Total = £4.76m So in the last three years they have spent a total of around £17.99m We spent £12m in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: Were they ever that good? judging by what iv seen from many of them over the last couple of seasons i think its safe to say certain clubs saw us coming, licked their lips and stuck a couple of extra million onto the price tags we've paid some horribly over inflated fees for some very average players. as brentford showed at the weekend theres a hell of a lot better out there available for a lot less if mel is going to any more throwing about of his cash i suggest its on a competant scouting/recruitment team think your right about a good scout probably should have paid a top class scout instead of waisting money sacking managers as reguards the players many players havent fitted in at derby, players who have gone on to play in the premiership and play well in other teams and most of those where berated on this forum so i dont think its poor players so much as being used in the right way and fitting into a well balanced team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripperg-ram Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 4 hours ago, barnsley ram said: i cant see how they have all become poor players overnight I didnt say that they've all become poor players or even imply that it's happened over night. What I was trying to say is that I'm no longer that bothered about who stays and who goes, but there was a point earlier this season when I thought that some of the star players from McLarens first time here should be given a chance to prove themselves again when they've not been great recently. Now I couldn't care less. But thinking about it we could see Desart, Bent, Weimann all be cleared out and with maybe Shackell, Blackman and a few other fringe/junior players cleared out then we could easily free up some cash to buy a couple of properly decent players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, barnsley ram said: think your right about a good scout probably should have paid a top class scout instead of waisting money sacking managers as reguards the players many players havent fitted in at derby, players who have gone on to play in the premiership and play well in other teams and most of those where berated on this forum so i dont think its poor players so much as being used in the right way and fitting into a well balanced team Agree re the fit of some players it begs the question, say in the instance of weimann and blackman under Clement why the chuff we bought them to stick them out wide blackman even said on arrival when interviewed he wanted to play through the middle and yet got shoved out wide and every villa fan i know (3 lol) said play him through the middle or not at all total madness someone got it horribly wrong thats for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, Stripperg-ram said: I didnt say that they've all become poor players or even imply that it's happened over night. What I was trying to say is that I'm no longer that bothered about who stays and who goes, but there was a point earlier this season when I thought that some of the star players from McLarens first time here should be given a chance to prove themselves again when they've not been great recently. Now I couldn't care less. But thinking about it we could see Desart, Bent, Weimann all be cleared out and with maybe Shackell, Blackman and a few other fringe/junior players cleared out then we could easily free up some cash to buy a couple of properly decent players well its just opinions i suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 The main reason we need a clear out is because we tried having a clear out when we didn't actually need one. Now, Alanis, that is ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsRam Posted April 16, 2017 Share Posted April 16, 2017 1 hour ago, TomInceOnFire said: Brentford spends 16/17 Sergi Canos - £2.47m Rico Henry - £1.53m Florian Jozefzoon - £383k Total = £4.38m 15/16 Andreas Bjelland - £2.13m Philipp Hofmann - £1.70m Maxime Colin - £1.28m Ryan Woods - £1.16m Lasse Vibe - £1.11m Josh McEachran - £884k Yoann Barbet - £595k Total = £8.85m 14/15 Jota - £1.28m Lewis MacLeod - £1.09m Moses Odubajo - £1.06m Scott Hogan - £808k Andre Gray - £527k Total = £4.76m So in the last three years they have spent a total of around £17.99m We spent £12m in the summer Furry muff. It was on twitter. Could have been right. It isn't. Well done you. Doesnt detract from the fact we have some players that should do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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