Curtains Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Last season the wheels fell off when Chris Martin got injured so well done to Clement for signing Nick Blackman. Derby fans have not seen enough of Blackman and Camara to form a judgement yet. Good luck to them both in Derby shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Yeah, he's an identical like for like replacement ain't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, reveldevil said: Yeah, he's an identical like for like replacement ain't he? No he isn't of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, curtains said: No he isn't of course not. Sorry Curtains, reading that back looks somewhat arsey! Didn't mean it that way, but fail to see how he backs up Martin any better than Bent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 last year we lost games because we could not keep goals out so i dont understand your comment about missing chris martin werent we leading scorers or there abouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 13 minutes ago, reveldevil said: Sorry Curtains, reading that back looks somewhat arsey! Didn't mean it that way, but fail to see how he backs up Martin any better than Bent? No worries Hes different to Bent . Bent plays on the last man trying to beat the offside trap hoping for balls in behind etc. Bent is a goalscorer and goal poacher . Him and Ince worked well together in the 4-0 defeat of Bristol City but next game I think it was Ipswich away which we won 1-0 Chris Martin returned and kept his place. I must admit I haven't seen a lot of Nick Blackman but on first look he looks more similar to Martin in the way he can hold the ball up and bring others into play and is more of a target man than Bent . Dont forget players need time on the training ground with team mates to work things out . ie systems etc and generally getting used to what is needed to interplay with others . Blackman clearly has an eye for goal so give him time Bent has done no wrong and Martin is a fans favorite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorksopRam Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I've actually quite liked the look of Blackman in the two home games. A few nice flashes and he's got a better touch than I thought he would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I think we need to start Camara and drop Russell to the bench, can't see what he's done to get the nod? As for Blackman, can't see anything that suggests he's a good signing atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Can't see much future for Bent now he's been booted off the bench ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Isn't Blackman a bit.......................... Nathan Tyson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, barnsley ram said: last year we lost games because we could not keep goals out so i dont understand your comment about missing chris martin werent we leading scorers or there abouts That's a fair comment and that's what Mel Morris said at the fans forum with Clement etc. But look at that another way. If you don't have a target man holding the ball up often the ball comes straight back at the midfield and defence and they are under pressure and concede more goals Defending is a team game . I would rather win 2-0 than 5-3 as this shows the manager we have a better all round game. We were drawing games 4-4 and 3-3 at the end of last season which is not ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 58 minutes ago, curtains said: No worries Hes different to Bent . Bent plays on the last man trying to beat the offside trap hoping for balls in behind etc. Bent is a goalscorer and goal poacher . Him and Ince worked well together in the 4-0 defeat of Bristol City but next game I think it was Ipswich away which we won 1-0 Chris Martin returned and kept his place. I must admit I haven't seen a lot of Nick Blackman but on first look he looks more similar to Martin in the way he can hold the ball up and bring others into play and is more of a target man than Bent . Dont forget players need time on the training ground with team mates to work things out . ie systems etc and generally getting used to what is needed to interplay with others . Blackman clearly has an eye for goal so give him time Bent has done no wrong and Martin is a fans favorite When we loaned Thorne in he was training with the team for a couple of months before being put into the team. This probably considerably helped him to make the significant contribution to the latter part of the season. If blackman has been bought as cover or as plan b or to gee Martin up then why throw him in if he is unpractised? Seems a risk to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, HantsRam said: When we loaned Thorne in he was training with the team for a couple of months before being put into the team. This probably considerably helped him to make the significant contribution to the latter part of the season. If blackman has been bought as cover or as plan b or to gee Martin up then why throw him in if he is unpractised? Seems a risk to me. I think what happened after the Reading game allegedly probably annoyed Clement and we will as fans never know but he was angry with the team Martin played poor against Reading as did the whole team so I think it was just circumstances to be honest that brought Blackman in straight away Martin came on 2nd half against Brum along with Camara and Butterfield when we were losing already and it had limited effect as we were chasing the game and we conceded again let's just move on to the Burnley game after a weeks training and get back on track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, curtains said: I think what happened after the Reading game allegedly probably annoyed Clement and we will as fans never know . Martin played poor against Reading as did the whole team so I think it was just circumstances to be honest. Martin came on 2nd half against Brum along with Camara and Butterfield when we were losing already and it had limited effect as we were chasing the game and we conceded again let's just move on to the Burnley game after a weeks training and get back on track For this one I will be right behind the lads in the local, being patronised by all the local Saints ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnsley ram Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 i think reading snuffed out the threat of the wide players by doubling up on ince and russel so perhaps we need a plan b but i thought we didnt adapt especially the midfield who seemed to take up each others space its hard to blame the players surely its the managers job to change things not only by substitution but by changing the system same thing happened against brum to make three subs with 25 minutes to go smacks to me of desperation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, barnsley ram said: i think reading snuffed out the threat of the wide players by doubling up on ince and russel so perhaps we need a plan b but i thought we didnt adapt especially the midfield who seemed to take up each others space its hard to blame the players surely its the managers job to change things not only by substitution but by changing the system same thing happened against brum to make three subs with 25 minutes to go smacks to me of desperation Times change. In maclarens early days he would make 3 subs and we would say "bold, decisive, going for the win". To be fair there were also occasions like Leicester away where he also did it out of apparent desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I find it an odd pick. 3 million ( reported) for a not hugely prolific goal scorer who is 26 and has played for 9 clubs now and not really top flight. Now I say this without malice and wish the lad well and hope he turns out to be key to our successful promotion push. However... We have a really prolific goal scorer who has umpteen England caps, has played the vast majority of his career in premier league and has scored over 150 goals at that level. I really do find all this a bit odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, StockholmRam said: I find it an odd pick. 3 million ( reported) for a not hugely prolific goal scorer who is 26 and has played for 9 clubs now and not really top flight. Now I say this without malice and wish the lad well and hope he turns out to be key to our successful promotion push. However... We have a really prolific goal scorer who has umpteen England caps, has played the vast majority of his career in premier league and has scored over 150 goals at that level. I really do find all this a bit odd. I assume your talking about Chris Martin . Did he get injured last season for a very long period. Oh he's Scottish . You are talking Darren Bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, curtains said: I assume your talking about Chris Martin . Did he get injured last season for a very long period. Oh he's Scottish . You are talking Darren Bent. Beg pardon...are you taking the pee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, StockholmRam said: Beg pardon...are you taking the pee? No but I'm slightly disappointed in your reaction to Bradley Johnson on the forum. I have no idea why Bent was not on the bench Saturday have you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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