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sage

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Can I just throw this thought out there... into the internet ether...

It is possible to take objection to Keogh being booed and abused and also disagree with those who blame him for everything without thinking he's our best CB since Roy Mac and declaring he'd be great in the Premier League.

In fact it is the opinion of the majority of fans, To all you keyboard warriors who feel the need to slag off everything that moves, other people don't need to have the polar opposite view of the subject matter to point out you are talking sh1te.

   

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Keogh - where do I begin?

Constantly on his arse for a goal

Always waving his arms around blaming others, anyone but himself.

Poor positioning, where was he for the second goal yesterday?

Doesn't seem to be much a goal threat like you'd expect from someone who often goes up for corners ETC

Motivations skills are questionable 

"Best in the league" ? Give me a break, I can name half a dozen players at the top of my head who play the position better; Berra, Shackell, Dean, Ayala,  Dunk, Steerman 

For the love of God sell him and Shotton. I can't believe the latter was a Premiership defender a year ago. Our defence with the exception of Bucko is laughable. Balls to the clean sheets it had, it was Bucko who held it altogether during that spell-  that's evident due to the goals being shipped without him in the side.

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Thought we were paying a highly experienced coach to develop and pick the team , as long he is pulling on our shirt I will give him my full support .i will be blaming the coaching staff for his performances should he fail to perform ,the lad can only do what he can and I do not question his commitment to the club although do agree his decision making at times is questionable.May be PC implementing new coaching and tactics will help improve the lad ,let's give him the opportunity and if we can find better I am sure it will happen soon enough

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Keogh is a good enough defender for a mid table Championship team. We stuck with him in defence last season and that's where we ended up. If we want promotion we will have to aim for better, I'm happy we are bringing in Shackell. 

good try

charlton and sheffield weds were midtable sides. League has 24 teams, we finished 8th. 1 point outside the playoffs, 17 points better than them.

sooner we sell keogh the better. Some are just not going to let it go.

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Buxton and Keogh with Thorne or Eustace in front of them and Martin up front took us to 3rd in 2013/14 and were first last season until we lost a DCM and a CF who can link play in front of them. Both times with excellent defensive records.

Therefore it is reasonable to assume that if we have cover at DCM and CF our defence is good enough.

Assuming that buying new defenders without cover at DCM and CF would get us promotion is pure speculation.

 

  

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Belper Ram 1988

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good try

charlton and sheffield weds were midtable sides. League has 24 teams, we finished 8th. 1 point outside the playoffs, 17 points better than them.

sooner we sell keogh the better. Some are just not going to let it go.

surely if keogh goes bucko has to go too both at fault for " that goal "  

 

#newera tosa shackell Pearce and Rawson the new way forward ?

 

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Sam Rush too for raising our expectations so drastically.

In fact, we can probably trace this all the way back to Brian Clough leaving. Git. :angry:

If only Steve Bloomer didn't pass away we would be in the promise land.

Selfish bugger.

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I cant see why there is so much love for Keogh

I never boo our players - ever but if he left tomorrow does anyone seriously think it would dent our prospects? At best he is an average player - readily replaceable...I still believe we have players already at the club who will prove to be a mile better.

last season its hard for anyone to justify that he was rarely better than average and often poor (he wasnt alone at the back in that respect but this thread is about Keogh)

If we get anything for him would be happy to see him go because (to me) there is nothing about his game that would be missed..

Zak Whitbread... no.

Michael Keane... no.*

Ryan Shotton... no.**

Raul Albentosa... no.

 

*Would go on to move on for £3,000,000.

**Wigan had agreed  a fee of £2,000,000 with Stoke for him, though I'd imagine we got him for cheaper due to his contract situation.

 

To improve on him we're having to spend more than £2,000,000 on a 32 Year Old (when the season starts) with a year left on his contract just to improve on him. Even then a number of forum members believe Keogh to be the superior player anyway. If Keogh really is so easy to replace then why are we struggling so badly at it? 

 

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Buxton and Keogh with Thorne or Eustace in front of them and Martin up front took us to 3rd in 2013/14 and were first last season until we lost a DCM and a CF who can link play in front of them. Both times with excellent defensive records.

Therefore it is reasonable to assume that if we have cover at DCM and CF our defence is good enough.

Assuming that buying new defenders without cover at DCM and CF would get us promotion is pure speculation.

Due to a combination of my elongated summer break and my frustrations at the numerous knuckle daggers on Twitter I decided to do some number crunching of which the results pretty much confirm what you've just said. 

From McClaren's first game (Leeds) to Martin's Injury (Bournemouth) we had a better goals against per game ratio over 64 games than all but two teams (Burnley and Boro) did in either of the two 46 game seasons. The ratio was 0.9375. Over this period the only game I can think of in which we didn't field a natural defensive midfielder or Martin is Leicester away and Millwall at home, though I haven't excluded these two games. 

In games in which we didn't have Martin but still fielded a holding midfielder we conceded around 1.5 goals per game. 

In games in which we didn't field a specialist holding midfielder, be it Hendrick in that position or playing without one at all, we conceded an alarming average of 3.000 goals a game. This is an 8 game sample as well, so a reasonable number of games. 

The players we have are exactly right for what our system required. Once you break the system, at either end of the pitch, we concede goals at alarming rate. To me, it really is as simple as that.

Note; League games only, Play-Offs excluded too (not that they'd make much of a difference), Mascarell is taken into account as a holding midfielder, despite the shared opinion that he isn't the type of holding midfielder in which we needed.

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