ramafan Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 When Brazil won original World Cup 3 times in 1970 they got to keep the cup and a new one was introduced in 1974, well 40 years later one of these 2 teams will win the trophy for a 3rd time so will they be allowed to keep the trophy? And will we have a new trophy for Russia 2018? Whoever wins should be allowed to keep present trophy, come on Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Doubt it. Don't think Italy got to keep it after 1982 or even 2006. Although the three wins weren't actually the same trophy so I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramafan Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Doubt it. Don't think Italy got to keep it after 1982 or even 2006. Although the three wins weren't actually the same trophy so I dunno. As you say it wasn't the same trophy, I think one of these 2 teams should keep the present trophy, it would be unfair having let Brazil keep the original trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladys' Handbag Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 This reminded me that England would have been presented with a new trophy in 1966 if Pickles hadn't found the original in a hedge after it had been stolen. I think this was the trophy that Brazil were allowed to keep. "en7e8qy" alt="en7e8qy"> This photo shows his owner, Dave Corbett re-enacting the scene. Unfortunately Pickles had to be represented by a plaster effigy as he died when he choked on his lead while chasing a cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I guess the answer is nohttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/10959027/Germany-v-Argentina-World-Cup-final-champions-not-allowed-to-keep-trophy-despite-becoming-three-time-winners.htmlTelegraph.co.uk One of Germany and Argentina will become the first country to win the current World Cup trophy for the third time on Sunday - but they will not get to keep it. The 18-carat gold Fifa World Cup Trophy was commissioned after Brazil won the Jules Rimet Trophy for the third time in 1970, with Fifa's regulations at the time stating any nation to record three triumphs would become its permanent owners. But these rules were subsequently amended to state that the trophy would remain in Fifa's possession, with the World Cup winners awarded a gold-plated replica referred to as 'Fifa World Cup Winners' Trophies'. The current World Cup trophy was won by Germany in 1974 and 1990, and by Argentina in 1978 and 1986. The name of the winning country from each year is engraved on the base of the trophy, although there appears to be room for only four more engravings. That would co-incide with the 2030 tournament, when the World Cup marks its 100th anniversary, which would be a fitting moment to retire the trophy. It was designed by Italian artist Silvio Gazzaniga, stands 36.8 centimetres (14.5 inches) tall, and weighs slightly less than 6.2 kilograms (13.61 pounds). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Can I just point out that West Germany won it in 1974 and 1990. Germany have never won this particular trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Plus Argentina's '86 win doesn't count given that its basis was one of the greatest examples of cheating that the game's ever seen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 You wouldn't this trophy. Frank Skinner wiped his knob on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Can I just point out that West Germany won it in 1974 and 1990. Germany have never won this particular trophy. Erm - 1974 was the first time this particular trophy was played for, with it having been commissioned after Brazil won the Jules Rimet trophy in 1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Erm - 1974 was the first time this particular trophy was played for, with it having been commissioned after Brazil won the Jules Rimet trophy in 1970 Erm, the country that won it in 1974 and 1990 is not the same country that's playing for the trophy on Sunday. Germany have never won the World Cup. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Ahh but much like everything they were awarded the wins when the country was reunified. The history books say they have won it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Erm, the country that won it in 1974 and 1990 is not the same country that's playing for the trophy on Sunday. Germany have never won the World Cup. That is all. Bit like Forest and those European Cups then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Ahh but much like everything they were awarded the wins when the country was reunified. The history books say they have won it. Did they get accredited with all if easy Germany's losses too? Seriously, I noticed the two logos together today, and Germany already has 3 stars. What's that all about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Did they get accredited with all if easy Germany's losses too? Seriously, I noticed the two logos together today, and Germany already has 3 stars. What's that all about? Germany won the Jules Rimet trophy too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Germany won the Jules Rimet trophy too No, West Germany won that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Germany won the Jules Rimet trophy too So they have won the World Cup 3 times, just not this particular trophy. That's a bit pedantic isn't it? Why weren't they allowed to keep it after the third win before. If they were given this trophy, would Argentina have to reset to zero and win the next trophy three times to get to keep it. Inconsistency everywhere. Pisses me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 So they have won the World Cup 3 times, just not this particular trophy. That's a bit pedantic isn't it? Why weren't they allowed to keep it after the third win before. If they were given this trophy, would Argentina have to reset to zero and win the next trophy three times to get to keep it. Inconsistency everywhere. Pisses me off. Italy have win four world cups too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 Brazil getting to keep the JR trophy after they won it for the third time likely had as much to do with Fifa wanting a new trophy to hand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 My respect for Argentina went up when they refused Maradonna's demand for his number 10 shirt to be retired (emulating Pele) as a tribute to his "contribution" to football. It's still not that high though TBH! Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles. (German, German overalls) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted July 12, 2014 Share Posted July 12, 2014 It's such a horrible final for the English... But for some reason I don't really find myself disliking this German team. That said, I want Argentina to win as I have them in a sweepstake for an Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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