uttoxram75 Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Why today, Clough went with an attacking midfielder at right back, one of the championships best right backs, at centre back, and two centre backs on the bench? I'm rather confused. Seems Sammon had another cracking game too. Worth every penny that lad. Must have been awful for you, biting your finger nails, cursing Derby for very nearly getting a well deserved point.....you must have been so relieved at the final whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Bet ward is shitting himself them - how,many times did he get to the edge of the box a d play a ***** pass. and that time he did it and played the worst pass ever to Sammon, and the pillocks behind me were blaming Sammon (scapegoat) Must be where we've been going wrong-we've been feeding the fish,instead of the goat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramblur Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Must have been awful for you, biting your finger nails, cursing Derby for very nearly getting a well deserved point.....you must have been so relieved at the final whistle. Look in the match thread,utch, and you'll find he obviously had to throw away the original script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramesses Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 There’s a pregnant woman in the waiting room looking for someone called Troy... http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/anderson/stingray/gallery/images/340/07stingray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eranio20 Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 http://i45.tinypic.com/k2mn89 Uncalled for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramesses Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Uncalled for Good. I don’t do requests. P.S. Achilles didn't think much of Troy either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Good. I don’t do requests. P.S. Achilles didn't think much of Troy either. wasn't Troy a city full of conniving deceptionists that hid in a horse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Then ate it? Phillistines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 ....You don't see Fergie putting Carrick at RB, Da Silva at CB, Cleverly at RW, Scholes at LW etc.. It just doesn't make sense.. You're right about Carrick... Fergie would never play him at RB; it would be CB instead. Hasn't Cleverley been played on the left and Rafael on the wing as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 You're right about Carrick... Fergie would never play him at RB; it would be CB instead. Hasn't Cleverley been played on the left and Rafael on the wing as well? Manchester United starting lineup v Everton FC 2012:- De Gea, Valencia, Carrick, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Cleverley, Scholes, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck [size=1]Sir Alex Ferguson is refusing to hit the panic button and splash out on a new defender but joked he might have to give old stalwarts Steve Bruce and Gary Pallister a call to ease his current crisis.[/size] [size=1]The Manchester United boss has just one recognised centre-back in Nemanja Vidic to choose from after being forced to field midfielder Michael Carrick in his back four at Everton on Monday night.[/size] Read more: [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2192943/Manchester-United-defensive-crisis-concerns-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-ahead-Fulham-clash.html#ixzz2LuxiBScE]http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2LuxiBScE Follow us: [url=http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU&u=MailOnline]@MailOnline on Twitter | [url=http://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU&u=DailyMail]DailyMail on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Manchester United starting lineup v Everton FC 2012:- De Gea, Valencia, Carrick, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Cleverley, Scholes, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck [size=1]Sir Alex Ferguson is refusing to hit the panic button and splash out on a new defender but joked he might have to give old stalwarts Steve Bruce and Gary Pallister a call to ease his current crisis.[/size] [size=1]The Manchester United boss has just one recognised centre-back in Nemanja Vidic to choose from after being forced to field midfielder Michael Carrick in his back four at Everton on Monday night.[/size] Read more: [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2192943/Manchester-United-defensive-crisis-concerns-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-ahead-Fulham-clash.html#ixzz2LuxiBScE]http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2LuxiBScE Follow us: [url=http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU&u=MailOnline]@MailOnline on Twitter | [url=http://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU&u=DailyMail]DailyMail on Facebook Jesus H, does Ferguson NEVER learn? The defence above was picked in 2012 v's Everton. This one in 2009 v's Wolfsburg. he had 3 years to get that fixed before the Everton game and STILL didn't manage it. [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/dec/08/manchester-united-ersatz-defence-wolfsburg]http://www.guardian....fence-wolfsburg Sir Alex Ferguson had said that the injury crisis which has shorn him of 13 senior professionals and left Patrice Evra as his sole recognised defensive specialist inside the Volkswagen Arena would force him into some "serious thinking". The outcome was as refreshingly inspired as anything a TV chef handed a casserole dish of unpromising leftovers and briefed to come up with a fortifying concoction could have hoped to muster. United's manager whipped up a back three comprising two midfielders but given a spicy twist in that Park Ji-Sung delighted in confusing Wolfsburg by dropping from right wing-back to conventional full-back whenever the penalty area pressure intensified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Manchester United starting lineup v Everton FC 2012:- De Gea, Valencia, Carrick, Vidic, Evra, Nani, Cleverley, Scholes, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck [size=1]Sir Alex Ferguson is refusing to hit the panic button and splash out on a new defender but joked he might have to give old stalwarts Steve Bruce and Gary Pallister a call to ease his current crisis.[/size] [size=1]The Manchester United boss has just one recognised centre-back in Nemanja Vidic to choose from after being forced to field midfielder Michael Carrick in his back four at Everton on Monday night.[/size] Read more: [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2192943/Manchester-United-defensive-crisis-concerns-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-ahead-Fulham-clash.html#ixzz2LuxiBScE]http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2LuxiBScE Follow us: [url=http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU&u=MailOnline]@MailOnline on Twitter | [url=http://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcU&u=DailyMail]DailyMail on Facebook How many did they win by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 How many did they win by? Against Everton or Wolfsburg? Against Everton they lost against Wolfsburg they won. I didn't see that as the point that was being made. I only saw people saying you'd never catch Ferguson or any other manager for that matter, playing players out of position. Am I right now in assuming it's only wrong if you play players out of position and then lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Against Everton or Wolfsburg? Against Everton they lost against Wolfsburg they won. I didn't see that as the point that was being made. I only saw people saying you'd never catch Ferguson or any other manager for that matter, playing players out of position. Am I right now in assuming it's only wrong if you play players out of position and then lose? No I just wondered if it meant he had learnt anything from the loss, given he changed it for the next game I presumed he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 No I just wondered if it meant he had learnt anything from the loss, given he changed it for the next game I presumed he did. The games were 3 years apart. He won the first one and lost the second. So judging by that he really messed up against Everton when he'd found the winning formula 3 years earlier. Why change a winning team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 The games were 3 years apart. He won the first one and lost the second. So judging by that he really messed up against Everton when he'd found the winning formula 3 years earlier. Why change a winning team? Not really, he just reverted to playing people in their preffered positions. I have no issue with people trying different things, as I said before, the good managers change it when things aren't going right. By the sounds if things maybe clough has clicked onto this if he changed it at ht on sat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Not really, he just reverted to playing people in their preffered positions. I have no issue with people trying different things, as I said before, the good managers change it when things aren't going right. By the sounds if things maybe clough has clicked onto this if he changed it at ht on sat. When you say he reverted to playing people in their preferred positions could that have had something to do with the players coming back from injuries? If he reverted to playing them in their preferred positions and they lost, is that not a terrible tactical mistake? Why didn't he play Carrick, Fletcher, Evra as a back 3 and Park ji Sung dropping back in week in week out? The OP's question, actually not really a question more of a dig. Was can someone explain why..... then the gist of the thread was that it's ridicluous to play players out of position and that no "top" manager, in fact not even any decent manager would do the same thing. If a comment like that is made it's showing a total lack of knowledge of the game. You could go through the 46 games every week and find 4 or 5 managers at least who are "shuffling things around" to fit current circumstances. If current circumstances are that you've got 6 (now 7) first team defenders injured, then you're going to have to shuffle. Not stupid tactics just the reality of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Against Everton or Wolfsburg? Against Everton they lost against Wolfsburg they won. I didn't see that as the point that was being made. I only saw people saying you'd never catch Ferguson or any other manager for that matter, playing players out of position. Am I right now in assuming it's only wrong if you play players out of position and then lose? No, it's only wrong if Derby play someone out of position and you are in search of a stick with which to beat the manager. The result is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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