Normanton Lad

30 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

A bit of a tenuous fact. part of a coordinated support campaign for Russell Brand maybe? Someone must like him i suppose for him to have that many followers. Like Andrew Tate no accounting for the gullible. 

It wasn’t long ago when several women accused Alex Salmond of being a sex case. Nine women accused him of assaulting them. He had as many accusers as Brand and yet he was found innocent.

In court it turned out that there seemed to be coordination in the actions of his accusers. At the time he was a thorn in the side of some senior politicians.

1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said:

A weird defence when there is literally no evidence that the allegations against RB are some sort of coordinated attack/media conspiracy to silence him, yet here we are

 

 

No coordinated attack? Then why did Caroline Dinenage MP, the chair of the Culture, Media and Sport, try to tell Rumble to stop showing Brand videos? Why would the government get involved in this when Brand is at the moment legally guilty of nothing?

Dinenage said Brand was promoting "inappropriate behaviour". That's rich coming from the daughter of a friend of and ghost writer for the Kray brothers. I don't remember anyone complaining about Fred helping the Krays make even more money from a life of crime and murder.

14 minutes ago, Jubbs said:

Have a read of the article, spend 90 minutes watching the documentary and get back to this thread. It seems like you need some education on the matter.

I'm too old to waste 90 minutes on "a documentary" which will only show evidence from one side.  It would be like a court case where you only get to hear what the prosecution lawyer has to say.

6 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

Except with Brand there is substantial evidence, it's literally been posted on this page of the thread... At this point, what are you actually on about?

I'm saying that you should decide what is true by going on your own experience and logic rather than accepting what the papers, the Government or even the courts tell you is true.  

I don't watch TV. All I know about Brand is that he claims he has had sex with hundreds or even thousands of women. If that is true then if he is very rough with women or even raping them then you would expect far more complainants to have come forward by now.  

1 hour ago, Stive Pesley said:

Seriously? We should assume that every new article we read is untrue? Easier to just not read the news at all then. What would be the point

Anyway - don't let me stop you defending rapists. It's a good look for you

 

 Every few weeks someone becomes a victim of a Big Brother type "two minutes of hate".  There is no real evidence against many of these public hate victims. Look at the newspaper headlines from 10, 20 or 30 years ago and ask yourself if these things turned out to be true.

40 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said:

It's all directly from The Times article. The whole scenario is horrible. He rang and invited her over - when she got there, he was already on the job with another girl and asked her to join them. She freaked out and said no as this wasn't what she was expecting - tried to leave and he essentially took her by force. Says she didn't go to the police as she'd have to admit she entered the house through choice, with a reasonable expectation that they might have sex. You can see her logic - but the idea that he's only in the wrong if he's convicted of it in court is dubious to say the least. Wrong 'uns gonna wrong

How do you know this is true? The credence the pitchfork carriers on here give to articles in the papers is shocking.

If you have ever read an article about someone or something you know very well then you find that the article is usually full of errors and lies. You should assume that all the other articles are just as inaccurate.

5 hours ago, Jubbs said:

*Trigger warning*

This is a tweet which sums up what I've been trying to get across about the justice system being systematically against anyone a victim of sexual assult.

 

Getting to the truth in a criminal case is a lot more complicated than using a confession obtained by an accuser. That is why when police question suspects "under caution" they have to follow strict rules.

There are all sorts of reason why someone might confess to something they have not done. I can remember the Colin Stagg case a few years ago when he confessed to being the kind of person who might kill a child because he thought he had the chance of sex with an undercover policewoman. A policeman at the time told me that he was certain that Colin Stagg was guilty. It turned out that he was innocent.

22 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

Far, far, far less people have been wrongly convicted, than the amount of people who never got justice because of the flawed judicial process for cases like these. It's such a weak strawman argument. 

The justice system doesn't work for these cases, so basing moral or ethical opinion upon their verdict is short-sighted, at best. 

Not a "weak strawman argument" at all. Denying justice to the many so that the few are not convicted wrongly is part of our legal system. Read about Blackstone's ratio. 

Blackstone's ratio

14 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

The whole 'waiting for a criminal verdict' doesn't work when ascertaining level of consent is nigh-in impossible within the current legislative infrastructure. Believing victims is important, it often takes immense courage to speak out, especially when they're aware the entire system is rigged against being able to prove them right...

 

"Believing victims" is assuming the facts are already decided. It is only after all the facts have been decided that you can call someone a victim. You are putting the cart before the horse.

To find whether someone's claims are true you don't try and "prove them right". You try and prove them wrong. It is only by looking for contradictions in the evidence or alternative explanations for the evidence that you approach the truth.

If there are no contradictions or the alternative evidence is weaker then the claim is probably true. It is the same with science. You don't prove a hypothesis by just collecting evidence that supports the hypothesis. You try find evidence that disproves the hypothesis.

You must look at the alternative explanations for these woman coming forward before you can take their claims as facts. There have been many people put in jail by false claims.

1 hour ago, Jubbs said:

This is probably the most naïve thing I've seen for a while.

You really think C4 and The Times would be able to publish a documentary after a 3 year investigation, with 0 evidence?! Considering how the victims and other comedians have seen how aggressive and threatening Brand's legal team are, you really think they wouldn't have proof before the did this? Wow.

You don't seem to understand that C4 and The Times are just propaganda outlets. They have no more credibility than the bloke next door. 

What are the facts we know for certain?

We know that Brand has had sex with hundreds of women. He's admitted that. He's also had sex unprotected with prostitutes. He's admitted that.

What can we infer from that? Well I would say that there is a very high chance that he has herpes and he has passed this on to many women. 

If you someone has given you herpes you are not going to publicly accuse someone. No woman wants the world to know she has herpes. How else could you get back at someone who has given you this disease? I'm not saying he hasn't raped all these women but you have to look at all possible explanations. You can't take things on blind trust.

This is a short clip from Zardoz. A film about people who have the chance to live forever. This film is very strange and confusing but its overall message is that eternal life is not a good thing.

Zardoz ending

6 minutes ago, The Last Post said:

Found this...but she's 107, The story you heard was most likely...a story

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/derbys-oldest-woman-celebrates-107th-4635367

Then there is this one...but not Derby

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/oldest-person-uk-briton-died-115-sant-493655

Thanks for that, but the story I think I remember was mainly about the son having to travel back and forth between his house in Littleover or Mickleover and the old folks home. However, I am quite prepared to accept that it was some kind of dream I am mistaking for reality.

I've told a few people over the years about the odd situation of a 90 something year old in Derby looking after his mother. After you tell the story a few times it becomes reality. I think George Best came to believe the "Where did it all go wrong" story was real.

About 15 years ago there was a story in The Derby Telegraph about a Derby man in his 90s who used to visit his mother who was in an old folks home. She was about 115. Does anyone remember this?

I lot of the things we think happened to us didn't so I am prepared to accept that this might have been an invented memory.

"The Man from earth" is a fascinating film about a man who lives a very long life. Stupid people hate this film. They say nothing happens in it. That's true. It all takes place in one room. But if you have a brain it will make you think.

I would not like to live forever because I don't want to outlive my children. There is something about this in the above film. 

I've known many childhood friends who have died and it is weird to remember them as children and then to realise some of them died long ago as old people. Rather than thinking it is your turn next you begin to think you might be immortal.

I'm as physically fit as most people 30 years younger than me. I have no pains or aches at all. My grandfather lived to be 96 and his brother missed a 100 by a couple of days so it could be that I've been lucky with my genes.

Despite feeling physically good I don't feel happy about all the changes I have seen in my life. Some old people have told me that they want to die because they are bored or because they've just had enough of life even though their bodies could carry on a few more years. I'm not as bad as that, but the thought of endless change for the worse does make me wonder if it is all worthwhile.

5 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

Leaving your wife for your neighbour is not the same as trying some spicy food instead of porridge.

 

Porridge is my favourite food and it would be about the same in my book. If it came to my wife or porridge I'd have to think about it.

4 hours ago, Scott129 said:

Odd topic - I wouldn't say that I hate old people because they're old.

The only thing that grates on me is when they involve themselves in discussions about the housing market. They don't seem to be able to grasp that it's considerably harder to buy a house now than it was for them X years ago, and instead blame young people's inability to buy a home on their spending habits (Netflix, Starbucks, tattoos, etc.)

It always ends up in a competition of sorts - 'oh, well it was difficult for me too back in the day - I had to work overtime and cut back on spending, blah blah." Yeah, thanks Grandma, but that wouldn't make the slightest difference today.

Rant over haha.

Unlike many parts of the country I think it is still possible for most people in Derby to get on the housing market. You can get a house in Sutherland Road for about 100k. With an average wage I would guess you could get a mortgage for that, but I'm not sure what an average wage is today.

I've just checked an old paper and in 1971 a house in that street was going for £1,850. The price has gone up far more than wages. If the average wage was about £20 a week in 1971 then you would expect an average wage to be about £56k a year going by the house price increase. I've not checked my figures so that might be wrong.

They knocked many houses down in Derby in the 1960s and 1970s and I assumed that there were more houses then than now, but there are actually far more houses in Derby today. Owner occupied houses (the ones that normally come on the market) have gone up from 39k (1971) to 64k (2011).

https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/unit/10033032/cube/HOUS_TENURE_GEN

The population of Derby has increased but at a much lower percentage than the available houses.  There seem to be reasons for the high cost of housing that are not obvious. 

6 hours ago, ariotofmyown said:

Whilst I chuckled in agreement at your Beatles barb, you really are missing out on a huge amazing catalouge of music there. 

Some of your comments on this thread read like (or perhaps are) satire.  You are displaying some of the attitudes people do dislike old people for. Folk and Jazz became well known when you were a lad, hence you are prepared to abide these styles. This just feels like nostalgia on your part, rather than a critical appreciation of different genres. There will be people from every decade who says everything later than "their decade" is rubbish. Don't be one of those people.

I wish all you old people hadn't allowed proper food to be replaced by sugar fuelled junk food. Then there wouldn't so much obesity. 

 

I don't know if old people had much say about sugar in food. Their views have been ignored on much bigger issues.

I think musical taste is determined when you are young. If you've been brought up on a diet of loud electric guitar you are never going to be satisfied with something like lute music. Most people stick to what they like. I know very few people would enjoy the music I like but that doesn't bother me.

I like to listen to music without any distractions. For me it is not something I have on in the background. It makes me happy. However, it could be that music from a different musical genre might make me even happier. But what if the music from a different genre damages my hearing and stops me enjoying the music I like now. There is so much music in my own genre that I haven't even listened to yet that I haven't got time to explore other genres.

If you are content why change? Perhaps the woman next door could give me more pleasure than my wife, but why would I risk changing things and ruining what I have? I like plain food like porridge. I've never eaten Chinese food. Perhaps spicy food would give me more pleasure than my plain fare but it might also cause digestive problems or put me off my wife's cooking. Who knows what could happen.

Many of the bad things in this world (drugs, porn, etc) are caused by people looking for new sources of excitement. Be content with what you have. You don't need all the extra stuff.

1 hour ago, Marriot Ram99 said:

There are not old obese people because they are mostly already dead as bad as that sounds. My Grandad is similar every time he drives through Allenton he says about how terrible it is that people are so fat and he also doesn't like tattoos. He is 77.

It is bad that they are so many fat people in deprived areas but it's not right to say stuff like it's disgusting and they can barely walk.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying the old obese people are already dead. Perhaps their brains are dead. They are so brainwashed that they will believe anything they read in the papers or see on the tv. It is nearly all propaganda and nonsense. 

They've also been tricked into eating so much rubbish that they are killing themselves with bad food.

Most people don't walk much nowadays. Wherever you live in Derby you are never more than an hour's walk from the centre. I used to walk three miles a day to work and back again. If it was raining I might jump on a bus for part of the journey. As for taxis, well I couldn't understand why people would waste money on them. I never took one. Perhaps if you are a big shot and your time is very important then I could understand avoiding an extra hour or so walking. But then you are missing out on the exercise.

I walk about 10 miles a day and I feel the same now as when I was 21.  I haven't got an ache or pain anywhere in my body. Some think running is a good exercise but from what I seen it is not as good as for your health as walking. Running will cause injuries, but moderate walking is safe. I say moderate because walking very long journeys can damage your health. One of my neighbours used to go on regular 20 mile walks and he ended up with plantar fasciitis.

Look at this video showing London in 1950. I only saw one overweight person in the whole film and today he would just be called stocky. At my school there were no fat children. A lot of this was down to walking and exercise. Our diet was not good. For example, we ate a lot of sweets, but the overall amount of food was far less than most people eat today.

London 1950

Look at how much more dignified the woman look in their dresses compared to the revealing rags they wear today.

38 minutes ago, sage said:

How much of their culture are you ignorant of?

Nearly all of it. The only legacy media I look at is an online paper which I glance at to find out what lies they are saying today.  I don't watch TV or listen to radio stations. I have not listened to any pop music since the Beatles. I only listen to classic music and a bit of folk or jazz. The other day someone asked me what I thought of Adele and I said I have never heard any of her music and all I know about her comes from a photo of a fat girl I saw in an online newspaper.

David, your post about anxiety was very interesting. You are like Bradbury's Illustrated Man.

At 41 you are still a young man. You might be surprised by how things can change in a few years. One of my friends was living at home with his mother at your age but at 50 he was married with about half a dozen kids.

I don't know if this will be a comfort to you but social anxiety, in my experience, doesn't affect many people my age. When I was younger I would never talk to strangers in queues, but now I will initiate conversations with anyone in any circumstance. I don't care what they think of me. Most people my age have said the same thing happened to them. 

My views on most topics are very unconventional and when I express them I don't worry that others think I am stupid or mad. Young people worry too much about what others think of them. 

The only person I know who had anxiety problems was a man who got shell shock in the Malaya War. He couldn't leave his house unless he had a hat or an umbrella. He's got dementia now and his anxiety has gone away. He is always trying to leave the house and he doesn't bother with the hat or the umbrella.

38 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said:

No, I dont dislike old people as I am one 🤣

There is a sort of balance, I have no idea who these Tick Tock influencers are or who sings the latest Pop song but my Grandchildren and Great Grandchildren dont know much about history or current affairs. I suppose there is a time, as you get older, you become more reflective.

When the Queen died we were discussing the monachy and two of my grandchilden were shocked when I told them of the abdication of Edward VIII, they didnt know of the Queens German hertiage I dont think they knew that such a subject would interest them but it did. 

I still have no intrest in Tick Tock😁

I talk to a few young people and even university students seem ignorant about British history and culture. Here are some of the things I learned yesterday from a science student at university. He had never heard of John Betjeman, Dennis Potter, the Suez Crisis or Ernest Marples.

46 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Anyone who generalises in such a way really do need to take a hard look at themselves. By the way, I’m not sure tattoos and obesity etc are age specific? Everyone is different. Obviously I don’t dislike him but my own father (93) irritates the hell out of me sometimes because he’s so damn awkward but my father in law is fine.

It’s not always easy to relate to people from a different generation as you’ll probably have less in common (generally speaking of course 😀). 
 

I don't know anyone my age who has tattoos. It is a young thing. There are many obese old people but there are far more young obese people today than when I was young. Maybe this is judgemental but I don't like looking at obese people or tattooed people and when these things are combined I find it totally revolting. Perhaps that observation makes me a bad person, but I am being honest.

45 minutes ago, sage said:

Well I'm 54, loved Parky, my favourite film is Kes and I spoke to Dickie Bird 5 days ago.

Does that make you feel better

I said 

DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER

 

Doesn't make me feel better, but it makes me feel bitter. I would have enjoyed a chat with Dickie Bird. Parkinson's sports journalism was top rate. I think Kes is the favourite film of a lot of people. This could be wrong, but didn't Robert Duvall say it was his favourite film?

32 minutes ago, Grumpy Git said:

Anyone bloke who went to Ashbourne secondary school in the 1970's will remember Barry Greenwood the PE teacher. I swear Brian Glover's character in Kes was based on him?

He always picked his favourites to play on his team at footie, (i.e. the best players). He was totally shameless. 😆

I think Glover's character was based on Glover himself. He was a teacher at the same school as Barry Hines. But then again, you might be right about Greenwood. Barry Hines was a local teacher. He had a spell teaching at Dale School.

Glover was quite a good player. He played for Barnsley boys around 1948. He mentions online that he played against Len Allchurch when he played against Swansea Boys, but I think Cliff Jones might also have been in the Swansea team. He complains in one Youtube video that he missed the chance to play against Derby Boys at Barnsley because he was dropped. The Parry brothers and a few other very good players were in the Derby team.

While chatting about Michael Parkinson I mentioned a few other Barnsley people : Dicky Bird, Brian Glover, etc. A young man aged about 60 said he’d never heard of Brian Glover. A Yorkshire man aged about 85 also said he didn’t know who he was. I said they must have seen Kes. Neither of them had. I could understand the older guy not knowing who he was because he’d spent the 1970s and 1980’s living abroad. But he was such a familiar figure to me – in an age group between the two I’ve just mentioned - that I though everyone must know who he is. 

It’s hard to relate to people outside our age group. All the tattoos, obesity and the other detritus of modern Uk culture is way beyond my understanding. Most of the comments on this part of the site are not germane to anything in my life. It makes me feel like a complete outsider. I don't post much on non-Derby County topics because I know as an older person with old fashioned views these posts would not be welcome.

I often wonder if the dislike of old people is due to their decrepitude or their views. Perhaps it is both.