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You’re not really getting what I’m saying , if we are getting it so much more right then why have and are suicide rates going through the roof ? Yes there’s there’s terrible stuff / wrongs in the past but that does not mean that’s there’s any less wrongs now even if they are less obvious, how many people are thrown into a community they can’t cope with who need good care and even residential care , left to bounce between police cells and accident and emergency being handled by people not trained to help who often through pressure are making things worse to the point of people harming themselves and others , im very open about my experience of losing a child to suicide and time spent working as a counsellor in prisons simply because I think it’s the right way to go not because I in some daft way think it means I have all the answers or my opinion has anymore value than anybody else s , it just means I don’t throw stuff out Willy nilly without a care , one of the worst things about my time in the prison area was that when you had success with people there was duck all follow up help after our 12 weeks and they were back in the day to day prison routine having opened up and started to dismantle the self destructive shield they had built to survive the poo they had most times been through ,,, really troubled me as to whether we we were actually doing more harm than good 🤷🏻‍♂️

That’s kind of what I mean mucker, some need time and rest , some need gentle pushing into a position of being active filling time and space , some( though not as many as are palmed off ) need medication ,some need a mix of all 3 and rather than provide the services needed there’s a push to one size fits all, some really do need help understanding that what they are experiencing is not necessarily mental health problems in the full sense but rather life’s difficulties ( no less devastating to some ) and need to be helped to understand this and helped with coping mechanisms , Time with a good counsellor coupled with our new found openness in a timely manner , available to all at no cost or massive waiting list would go a long long way to getting positive results

For me , although we have come a long way in terms of bringing these issues out into the open so people don’t need to be alone or feel any kind of shame we just havnt in any way moved forward in trying to formulate the best course of action to help people,

I blame sky tv , it’s little wonder so many fans have lost the passion , joy and heartbreak of actually winning and losing games🤷‍♂️

Your right but I’ve done the sums and they are pretty poor also , the biggest thing with me over the years has been I’ve learned that you really need to spend out on a new van or at very least extremely low mileage ,ive all too often in my younger days had vans that are high mileage that you have no clue how they have been looked after and they turn into money pits that are totally unreliable, I can go out and buy a van that’s a day older than mine but done about 80 k miles for stupid money ( mine is worth peanuts now) , fit it out how I need it and have a pig in a poke 🤷🏻‍♂️ ah well , it’s just the way things are , people like me (and there’s plenty) can’t really afford to or able to make a viable financial case to not just suck it up and be hit in the pocket with yet another big tax drain on our living standards , the expansion is a money spinner pure and simple anyway I’m not intending to drag this thread off topic it was just a wry throw away comment on what I’m collecting 😂

Just done some quick sums , at £12.50 a day 5 days a week it would take me in the region of 15 years to recover the cost of ulez tax by buying a new electric van , jeez I will be happy if I live that long 😂

Or highland spring 😀

👍, I’ve kind of got less angry about it now because ,,, well what’s the point , we getting the ass ripped out of us every which way you turn , there’s not a place to put a cross on a ballot paper that’s got any idea about or interest in representing ordinary working folk as far as I can see ( not party political) , sod it , it’s up to the young to figure it out and do something , I feel sorry for them because we are going backwards in my view and they’re world and freedoms are shrinking by the day and we never move an inch towards being a species that can live in peace without constantly killing each other 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’m 63 and not really financially in position to spend 40 to 50 k on an electric van to replace a very good well serviced van that’s only done 28 k ( not gonna be working many more years so why work just to pay for a van ) miles and bought on government steer to buy diesel , as a roofer the tools and materials I transport ain’t going on a bus or a train , more laughable is the nice little loop that gets chessington world of adventure into the zone , theft plain and simple but hey ordinary folk are getting robbed pillar to post these days 🤷🏻‍♂️

Ulez charges at £12.50 a day 🤷🏻‍♂️

In a pot every time , if not they just make everything taste of beans 🤷🏻‍♂️, it’s a funny one as I never ever eat beans at home but will have them when served up with a breakfast ( full English ) in a cafe or some such

You should try explaining away a 6 Pint er 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yep , I mentioned Naples as it’s somewhere I really want to go but havnt had chance yet , in my imagination it’s a real mix of the raw urban and historic plus some beauty, of course it could disappoint if I ever get there 🤷🏻‍♂️, I often think I would love a cloak that makes you blend in and you could just wander round anywhere safely and sit and watch the world go by , South America would be the area I chose first to visit if you had the ability to just wander anywhere safely, in Thailand we did a cookery lesson / day which included a trip to a local town market to buy ingredients, whilst the wife and friends went round the indoor market area shopping I just grabbed a coffee and sat outside on the steps watching the world go by and locals going about they’re lives , it really was a lovely few hours

Please don’t bow out of the thread either yourself or anon , I think it’s a very interesting subject , what we consider art , how we value it and what it stirs in each of us , im not sure you can derail the subject matter ( art ) simply because very often the whole point of art itself in my humble view is to take us off on tangents ,

Naples

Think he may be mixing you up with ramsbottom , not engaged or able to keep track of who he is trying to poke with a stick, it’s just a wind up mate 🤷🏻‍♂️

I like your ideal world ( football wise ) very much😀

Small mercies it hasn’t been changed from Saturday to Sunday

I’ve found the font and display (since recent changes ? ) is very small and hard to navigate, im using safari and it used to be ok🤷🏻‍♂️

Best season we have had in a bloody long time , ground was full to the ginnells Saturday with most staying long after the whistle to celebrate and leaving extremely happy , I was surrounded by singing all the way back to the car , seen some great goals scored and seen some not so great performances in games at times over a long season , if we get promoted this season will live long in the memory of this old boy who’s seen the great times and the lowest of lows ,it will live long as the warne promotion season that I really enjoyed , simple fact is we have one or two posters who are intent on rubbishing anything achieved and winding people up trying to stop them enjoying all the good stuff that’s happening for our club and us fans, honestly ? Just stick them on ignore or read there stuff , see it for what it is , laugh and move on without replying and giving them the pleasure of winding you up , it really is that simple 🤷🏻‍♂️

Your right I did consider art , vandalism or both as the title 👍

To be where we are now from where we were in this timescale , given restrictions, given we don’t have a money no object owner ,,,, it’s actually extremely good and testament to the owner ( clowes ) and the management team , the progress , spirit and culture that’s been built is fantastic

Thought it might be an interesting debate ? I like some so called modern art though I don’t know anything about it and kind of like it that way so I can just like what I like rather than what so called experts tell me what should like and why , love a day out at the Tate modern and the summer festival 🤷🏻‍♂️

Erm , change that to thousands

Honestly? It actually just becomes easy when you reach the inevitable point where you realise they are just trolls , treat them as such and call it out as trolling , it takes a little while to get there because it’s a forum for derby fans and you want to give the benefit of the doubt to people you take at face value as fellow derby fans , that’s very different to some who are not overly into warne but you can have a proper conversation with over it , we have a small number on here who just want to rubbish derby , the manager , chosen scapegoat players ect ect 🤷🏻‍♂️