BoroWill

3 minutes ago, David said:

He is not too dissimilar in Mel Morris, who was also a local owner, donated large sums of money to buy medical equipment for the NHS in Derby, bankrolled the club with an ambition to take us up, whilst the fairy tale ends there I think it's worth reminding people that Steve Gibson sold off Middlesbrough's tax losses, there would have been no need to do that had he not been pushing the club to the limit, likewise Mel Morris with the stadium sale.

I think he's very dissimilar to Mel Morris, once you get past the local owner passionate about the local area. I also think there's quite a bit of false equivalence happening comparing selling one of any football clubs biggest assets in their stadium, compared to moving tax losses to another group company. One of your major stumbling blocks is due to not owning your stadium, and it has been a common theme with administration/liquidations of football clubs over the last 20+ years. Selling tax losses to another group company increases the value of the football club, selling the stadium gives you a short term boost but ultimately strips the football club of it's single largest asset.

8 minutes ago, David said:

Our "wrongdoings" was essentially the stadium valuation which was made independently, as Steve Gibson said that formed a significant part of his claim.

The charge against us on this was dismissed, the EFL chose not to appeal, you could argue it's defamation to label us as cheats when we have been cleared. If you was to go to court on a charge of murder, cleared, do you think it would be fair to continue to call you a murderer?

If the label of cheats was based solely on the stadium sale I would agree with you, but having accepted a punishment for falling foul of FFP it certainly wouldn't be defamation to refer to you as cheats on that basis.

Just now, Kathcairns said:

Can you tell me how anyone knows what money has been paid if anything. Perhaps they realised if it went to court a lot of dirty washing could come out regarding both of them. As it is keeping it private saves both faces.

Perhaps they did that. I have reason to believe they didn't but I don't expect you to believe me.

2 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

No answer then.  Just more vacuous self portraits of the family .  Ta Ta sweetie ?

You are asking a question you know that I can't answer.

Like me asking you why Mel Morris decided to use a different amortisation method to every other club in the country? You don't know, because you are not him.

Just now, TheresOnlyWanChope said:

He tried to extort money out of a club in administration. 

Yeah, except he didn't, did he?

Just now, DerbyRam! said:

Do we have a preferred bidder yet?

Good question, now that the "biggest stumbling block" has been out of the way for over a week I expect your takeover is imminent. Darn that Steve Gibson holding all of this up!

Just now, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Can I ask when the bastion of football fairness will be taking action against Bournemouth for hammering FFP on their way up, taking 4 points off you.  Take them off Bournemouth and give them to you and your automatically promoted, no playoff lottery or anything.  I'll wait with interest.

bUt WhAt AboUt BoUrNeMoUtH

1 minute ago, PistoldPete said:

You didn't read the Martin  samuel article in the Daily Mail then?

My daughter doesn't follow football at all. She asked me why Gibson  was suing Derby. I said because Boro didn't get promoted. She said "that's his personal problem". She is very smart my daughter.  Gibson clearly does have a personal problem.
 

Your daughter may well be very smart, unfortunately her father has given her such a simplified version of events that he has done her a disservice. 

4 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

He’s hijacked the EFl board to pursue his own agenda and he’s used a bogus legal claim to delay our exit from administration and to extort funds from Morris.  Sure Boro fans like the sound of that, but few of them understand the detail. Few neutrals have the patience to get to the bottom of it. Why not ponder Gary Neville’s comments though, there are no flies on him 

Hijacked the EFL board? ? You lot do make me laugh. Only a few posts ago the EFL were pissed off with Gibson, last night they were giving him a helping hand by allowing more Covid losses to be written off this season. Could you make your minds up?

Gary Neville's comments were salient and I agreed with them, your former owner came back and coughed up some of the money that he should still be responsible for, according to Gary Neville, so thankfully the stumbling block of our case has been removed.

7 minutes ago, David said:

I can't disagree with this statement as I can't prove otherwise, by the same token I'm not sure this is something you can prove either.

Having visited the Sheffield Wednesday forum there isn't a lot of love on there for Steve Gibson, I would image Liverpool fans would also not agree having been on the end of his legal action along with other clubs. There is also a small matter of the Man United fanbase that have been questioning the claims in their support for Wayne Rooney.

You can only base your views on what you see and hear, and right now Forest, Leeds and bizarrely Bristol City fans have been very vocal in their support of Steve Gibson, although this will be down to rivalry....except for Bristol City which is once again just bizarre.

I don't expect any love from your fans for him, of course. I completely understand why you'd have a lot of anger to him.

The groups you mention disliking him have all come about from him pursuing their wrongdoings, or in the case of United, blind support for someone who used to play for them. Had you asked United, Derby or Sheff Wed fans in 2015 I doubt any would have ill feelings towards him, and I'd wager his name would come up quite a lot if asked about the best owners in football at that point. Certainly all the Liverpool fans I know have no recollection of the Ziege case and hold no ill will against Boro or Gibson, but I can't speak for all of them.

12 minutes ago, David said:

Let's also not forget, nowhere would you find Boro fans complaining at the time in 18/19, Tony Pulis was the target of your frustrations and rightly so, only now that Gibson's claims became public are Boro fans out in force to support their owner, which is commendable. 

How could we complain about something that it is only possible to find out about, at least as a member of the public, retrospectively?

15 minutes ago, David said:

We have seen the benefits of a siege mentality ourselves recently, even clubs such as Leeds which we dislike with a passion, you have to applaud the way they defend their club and anyone connected.

I don't think there is any form of siege mentality to be completely honest with you, the only people I have seen annoyed at us or Gibson personally is Derby fans and Derbyshire MP's.

18 minutes ago, David said:

End of the day, it's quite possible the club could have been sold long before we entered administration had we not had these claims over us, they have been the main stumbling block. That's 12 points back on the board, no Embargos and we could potentially be challenging the top 6 with you this season. 

Mel should've probably dealt with them then as he has now, if he wanted to sell the club. Given how frivolous and without precedent they supposedly were it should've been no more than a speed bump for you to negotiate when you weren't in administration.

2 minutes ago, Curtains said:

From Wiki re Middlesbrough administration 

 

“Aftermath

Legal matters continued throughout the 1986–87 season as people came forward to claim old debts, but this was overshadowed by the achievements of Rioch's side on the pitch.

The side, which had been relegated the season before, finished second in the table, regaining a place in the Second Division. The following season, the club finished third in the place, winning promotion to the First Division by the play-offs. Although the club would be relegated back to the second flight after the next season, the recovery from such a precarious situation surprised everyone in the football world.”

 

Funny how one of our Champions winning players save you bacon 

Love Rioch and all of that team for everything they did for our club. I'm sure you all feel the same about Rooney and your players.

4 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

Wow that's some statement, Have you any documentation to back this up, I'd wager the majority of Boros fans even his ex Chauffeur would agree with you when he won his case against unfare dismissal, But almost Universally ?

Unless you live under a rock whenever neutrals talk about our club they refer to him being a great owner and how you couldn't ask for better as a manager. I'm aware that as a Boro fan I'm more likely to hear and pick up on these things, but to deny it is just ignorance.

2 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

Maybe people should read more and dig a little deeper, Jimmy Saville was once regarded as a national treasure.

wow ?

1 hour ago, S8TY said:

After reading some of Parry's replies from a very well written message from David it's even more apparent now that Gibbon is a stain on the game we love!

Taking everyone to court, Suing everyone it seems , he really is no good to football whatsoever and to make it worse manipulates the so called governing body .....Its all about court hearings etc etc...This man should not be involved in the game we love....he is without doubt one of the most loathsome characters I've ever seen in football....and the game would be better off without him involved in it !!

Almost universally regarded as one of the best owners in the game, but I'm sure he will be devastated to hear that DCFCFans have decided he is a stain on football.

FWIW reporters on our side are reporting as if it is a monetary settlement from Morris to Gibson, not an agreement of indemnity or anything of the like. We'll probably never know for sure.

Glad it has been resolved, best of luck with your takeover and for the rest of the season, after tomorrow of course.

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

 

Not looked at the Boro forum before.  Most it is Mansonesque drivel about the football bastion who leads them.  The irony of this poo. Also some twit called Denzel who has changed his avatar to liquidate Derby County when he wasn't allowed to join this forum. I don't think I'll go on there again.  Nice to know that Gibsons got a huge personal security detail for the weekend though.  Sweet Jesus.?

Denzel is a dhead, you were right to reject him.

2 minutes ago, jono said:

You skilfully avoid mentioning every other part of my post. Why don’t you answer those very clear points that don’t need niceties to hide behind ? 

Because it is nonsense.

Just now, Tyler Durden said:

Fair play to you for coming on to try and engage on this forum can't fault you for that.

I just don't see how you can try and defend the indefensible. If the boot was on the other foot I wouldn't call any of our supporters fans of our club if they were happy to support our chairman in the wanton destruction of another football club I'd be mortified.

Can't you see what a devastating impact your chairman's behaviours is having on the existence of our football club?

7 minutes ago, Unlucky Alf said:

If we hurl a buse at you you'll mooch off, Fare play for coming on here, You put your answers/comments as best you can, We on the other hand know a little more than yourself, I doubt whether you get up in the Morning click on here then go to bed at night just after logging off here, Boro means a lot to you, In equel measure DCFC means a lot to us.

If you can't see the damage your Chairman is having on supporters and out club, Then maybe just maybe you'd better call it a day on here...just a thought.

From a DCFC supporter of 55 years.

My hope is that Morris puts his money where his mouth is and indemnifies the club against damages resulting from the claim allowing the club to be bought out and Gibson and Morris to have their personal fight in whatever arena they see fit.

I don't think we should drop a long standing claim simply because he chose to put you into administration, but I do think if legally possible that claim should be against MM, or at least paid for by him, and not against the club.

I and certainly the vast majority of Middlesbrough fans do not want to see your club liquidated and hope that your club gets out of it's current predicament as soon as possible.

Just now, TexasRam said:

And baseless 

We wouldn't know, since we do not know the details of it. 

14 minutes ago, TexasRam said:

It’s quite simple Will and with the greatest respect you don’t know the details of the claim because the claims are baseless, spurious and opportunist at best with zero merit. Let’s see if he takes up Mels offer, if not then as quoted we all know why. 

We don't know the details because it is confidential.

9 minutes ago, Ramos said:

You are 5 minutes away from having to write a self Q and A style post to answer everyone on here! ??

It's felt like that at times! 

I really do appreciate those of you who have chosen to engage with me rather than just hurl abuse.

7 minutes ago, Ramos said:

That’s one person though and every fanbase has fans who will make comments like that. Bit sweeping don’t you think then to have an Ill feeling against a whole club because of it? 

I do think that those who hold ill feeling to your club for it are misguided, but whilst I may have only quoted one person, it isn't just one person is it?

3 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

But for now he'll prolong the claim that he has little chance of winning prolong the anger and worry for our fanbase for as long as he can. You seem to have come on here with a pastoral approach to persuade us all that Gibson is really a super kind of holistic guy whom we should change our minds about because we've all misunderstood him.

I'm not sure where you're getting this impression from, I haven't come to change anybody's mind.

5 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

I'm afraid you've had a wasted day.Just like the many wasted days you had at the end of the 2018-19 season when your football club, with it's pockets still bulging with parachute payments chucked away the gift of the play-offs with a run of form more befitting of a relegation team than one capable of promotion.

I don't feel I've wasted a day, I came to provide a Boro perspective on the situation which I feel I have. Some people, like yourself, have responded negatively and decided to take cheap digs in response, but ultimately I've enjoyed the discussion with many on here.

7 minutes ago, Brailsford Ram said:

It's about time that the people of Middlesbrough learned to see through the Smog.

I'm sorry that you feel the need to take cheap digs at our area.

4 minutes ago, jono said:

Added to that Morris has made an offer to meet him in court with impartial judges rather than the EFL where Mr Gibson seems to have a distinctly unfair level of influence. If he is so self righteous and saintly then why hasn’t he withdrawn his action and issued court proceedings ? Sick !

Mel Morris is well aware that pursuing him as a former director of a limited company is impossible, it is an empty offer. As I said earlier, if Morris is genuinely interested in helping you exit administration by dealing with claims then he can indemnify the club against our claim.

2 minutes ago, Eatonram said:

So lets cut to the quick Will. What do we owe you? and What is the debt for? Please tell us, because this is the bit that none of know or understand.

I'm not sure how you expect me to answer this, I am not involved with either team and like you I do not know the details of the claim.

9 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

He doesn't answer direct questions - such as why is his vindictive little puppet master not going to town on Bournemouth who took 4 points of them and denied them automatic promotion.  The Stepford Smoggies.  Bigger cult than Charles Manson going on up there.

I'm getting a lot of notifications and I'm trying my best to respond to all of them. I can't respond to things where I don't know the answer though, you would have to ask Steve Gibson.