Pontius Pilate

Gone back 18 years to find that report. Crewton rattled once again.
Apparently it's us that live in the past though...
Never change Crewts?

They don't tend to report on the lower leagues on MOTD or Super Sunday so I'm a bit out of touch with it all.

League One. 
How is it these days by the way? ?

Glad to see Plymouth and Wednesday up there. Plymouth have a lot of potential if they can establish themselves in the Championship. 
They also pay all of their taxes so you could call last night a win for the good guys.

The goal difference is what stands out there. Ours has been absolutely shocking and I could easily see us in -30 to 35 range by the end of the season.
-69 though? My word, its almost impressive ?

I think Palace are on the verge of being drawn into it.  Only 5 points above the bottom 3 and yet to win this year.  I think Bournemouth & Southampton will go and then anyone from the rest could make up the third spot.  Everton have a manager who loves a scrap.  Leicester need to wrap Maddison in cotton wool cos if he gets injured they’ll struggle.  Hate to say it, but fair play to Cooper, he changed the way they play after the first international break and so far it’s worked.  

? On the Forest thread on the eve of your crunch clash with the mighty Shrewsbury. Rattled?
 

Good post. Personally I never warmed to Billy Davies, especially second time around. There was just something about him that always wanted to make it about him, always with an agenda. Like a lower league Mourinho.
Cooper comes across as very genuine to me though with his loce of the club and the area and to be honest it's a two-way thing with him as he's obviously earned the adulation of the fans with his achievements but he also owes the fans a lot. Without the fans in the ground there's an argument to say we don't make it over the line in the play offs or in some of the home games this season. And back in October it was the swell of fan support that kept him in the job.

How many supporters at Pride Park are paying though? I'd heard local schools, Toyota and Bombardier were given thousands of freebies each home game.

How many supporters at Pride Park are paying though? I'd heard local schools, Toyota and Bombardier were given thousands of freebies each home game.

Yes, we all get free season tickets with our mobile phone contracts, doncherknow.

How many supporters at Pride Park are paying though? I'd heard local schools, Toyota and Bombardier were given thousands of freebies each home game.

How many supporters at Pride Park are paying though? I'd heard local schools, Toyota and Bombardier were given thousands of freebies each home game.

How many supporters at Pride Park are paying though? I'd heard local schools, Toyota and Bombardier were given thousands of freebies each home game.

Fair enough, I didn't know that he was still in and around the club and yes I thought they did very well in his time and it's good that he is appreciated for it. The world has a bit too much of: "Yeah what have you done lately?" good clubs appreciate their legends like we both do with Clough and Taylor et al.
I was just wondering as I've heard Davies as rated higher than Clark in the past, during I think part 1: "not tonight Natalie" and during the inter regnum before part 2: "unfinished business". Plus also seeing Cooper rated as the best since the big man here in this thread, placing Clark at most 4th in a list of Managers that admittedly I dont know loads about, just surprised me given that at the time I'd have put Clark's team as in the top 5 clubs in England.
Conditions being right for Clark, and the achievements of those done under less felicitous circumstances or even downright adversity can impact impressions I'd not considered that. Shoestring budgets and such like, like Davies and Cooper must have operated under relative to Clark makes a difference. Point certainly conceded. Jim Smith gets love for wheeling, dealing and getting a superb team on a shoestring, Cox is appreciated but we had Peter Shilton, Mark Wright, and Dean Saunders, in his time so perhaps mitigated when we talk about it, even if we finished higher.
And yes bottom of Championship to holding your own in a dogfight for Premier survival in a year is fairytale stuff, enjoy the ride, we know it feels great. Hopefully we'll join you soon.

As much as you'd want it to be the case it's highly unlikely that a newly promoted team signs up a load of new players on multiple year contracts without relegation wage drops. Especially when they've been sensible enough to only hand out short deals to the more high-earning signings.

As much as you'd want it to be the case it's highly unlikely that a newly promoted team signs up a load of new players on multiple year contracts without relegation wage drops. Especially when they've been sensible enough to only hand out short deals to the more high-earning signings.

Clark didn't leave under a cloud at all, in fact in the last decade or so he's been chairman and club ambassador and is often at games now along with other legends of the past. 
I don't think anyone overlooks Clark at all and the job he did over a 2 year period in particular was brilliant but there were mitigating factors. Time's were different then financially in football and we were able to virtually keep our entire team together, which included the England captain at the time. Collymore was absolutely electric too and basically a cheat code. 50 goals in 2 seasons says it all and once Stan left it was never the same. 
The job Cooper has done is incredible though, real fairytale stuff that surely even the most ardent Derby fan can't deny.

Clark didn't leave under a cloud at all, in fact in the last decade or so he's been chairman and club ambassador and is often at games now along with other legends of the past. 
I don't think anyone overlooks Clark at all and the job he did over a 2 year period in particular was brilliant but there were mitigating factors. Time's were different then financially in football and we were able to virtually keep our entire team together, which included the England captain at the time. Collymore was absolutely electric too and basically a cheat code. 50 goals in 2 seasons says it all and once Stan left it was never the same. 
The job Cooper has done is incredible though, real fairytale stuff that surely even the most ardent Derby fan can't deny.

I didn't realise you had access to the NFFC accounts. My mistake...
Any player reportedly on big money at Forest is here short-term, Lingard, Henderson, Aurier, Lodi and Navas. It's also standard practise now to have wage drops in the event of relegation so the overall wage bill would obviously no longer be an unmanageable Premier League level. Then you throw in the parachute payments and anything our increasingly generous owner wants to put in.
We'd be reet...

You're right, he does remind me of Princess Fiona from Shrek?
 
All joking aside, he's done a pretty good job to be fair. Shame it's with you lot

As much as you'd want it to be the case it's highly unlikely that a newly promoted team signs up a load of new players on multiple year contracts without relegation wage drops. Especially when they've been sensible enough to only hand out short deals to the more high-earning signings.

I didn't realise you had access to the NFFC accounts. My mistake...
Any player reportedly on big money at Forest is here short-term, Lingard, Henderson, Aurier, Lodi and Navas. It's also standard practise now to have wage drops in the event of relegation so the overall wage bill would obviously no longer be an unmanageable Premier League level. Then you throw in the parachute payments and anything our increasingly generous owner wants to put in.
We'd be reet...

We really wouldn't.