Boycie Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Opps! Great Britain football team. (But all english players) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoozeMonkey Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Enjoy it now Italy, because, like us, you've got diddly chance of getting past the Germans. Well thats BS to be fair, unless this is the first international tournament you've seen you would know that games vary, excellent teams can have bad games and poor teams can have amazing games. I seem to remember world cup 2006 in the last 16 italy v australia, terrible game all the way through no goals then right at the last minute some italian dived in the box and won a penalty to put italy through, no one gave them a donkeys chance after that but they did pretty well, even beating the highly rated germans 2-0. Moral of the story, every game is different and never write anyone off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastKentRam Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 You are massively over-rating the Italians, player for player we should match them and that's why I cant except 'well at least we tried' attitude, should of been so much better and after the first half we was pathetic! The whole squad bar three play in italy, and we've heard how bad prior to the euros how bad the italian leagues are but obviously not. We should, but we dont. You only have to look at our midfield to know that going forward and on the ball we couldnt even match the Ukranians. De Rossi and Pirlo are so much better than Gerrard and Parker it's embarassing. But, as i've said, it's not the actual players ability in itself. It's the mentality and way they're told to play that will means England will never progress. The best sides in the world playing passing, possession football in some way or another. I think Swansea this year showed that you dont have to have top, top footballers to play a possession game. But if you train and focus on doing so with the manager installing the correct mentality it can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Well thats BS to be fair, unless this is the first international tournament you've seen you would know that games vary, excellent teams can have bad games and poor teams can have amazing games. I seem to remember world cup 2006 in the last 16 italy v australia, terrible game all the way through no goals then right at the last minute some italian dived in the box and won a penalty to put italy through, no one gave them a donkeys chance after that but they did pretty well, even beating the highly rated germans 2-0. Moral of the story, every game is different and never write anyone off I disagree. I know Italy will be looking to carry on their winning ways but in my opinion I don't think they've been near Germany in this tournament and I can't see them getting past them. Last night, the German camp must have been wringing their hands with glee at the performance put forward from both teams (but Italy did play better than us, particulaly the 2nd half). I think it's going to be a German/Spanish final with the Germans winning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I think that Italy can hurt the germans, after all Greece managed to score 2 againest a far superior side. Don't really care tbh as long as Portugal don't win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Anyone for tennis??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Back to reality, come on you Rams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Well thats BS to be fair, unless this is the first international tournament you've seen you would know that games vary, excellent teams can have bad games and poor teams can have amazing games. I seem to remember world cup 2006 in the last 16 italy v australia, terrible game all the way through no goals then right at the last minute some italian dived in the box and won a penalty to put italy through, no one gave them a donkeys chance after that but they did pretty well, even beating the highly rated germans 2-0. Moral of the story, every game is different and never write anyone off South Korea 1966 Cameroon 1990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Amazing how often Gerrard's shirt kept sticking out and holding him back when no one touched him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Bye bye Rooney, Rooney Bye bye! (Young anall I reckon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smyth_18 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 The saddest news for me is that Roy Hodgson wants Gerrard to carry on as captain. Its obvious something drastic must happen but the people at the top can't leave the oldies behind. This is the squad for U19s Euros next month: Goalkeepers: [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/J/Samuel-Johnstone]Sam Johnstone (Manchester United), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/R/connor-ripley]Connor Ripley (Middlesbrough). Defenders: [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/D/eric-dier]Eric Dier (Sporting Lisbon), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/G/Luke-Garbutt]Luke Garbutt (Everton), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/K/michael-keane]Michael Keane (Manchester United), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/R/Jack-Robinson]Jack Robinson (Liverpool), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/T/Tom-Thorpe]Tom Thorpe (Manchester United). Midfielders: [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/C/Conor-Coady]Conor Coady (Liverpool), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/B/Ross-Barkley]Ross Barkley (Everton), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/C/Nathaniel-Chalobah]Nathaniel Chalobah (Chelsea), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/K/Harry-Kane]Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/L/John%20Lundstram]John Lundstram (Everton), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/R/Nathan-Redmond]Nathan Redmond (Birmingham City), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/T/George-Thorne]George Thorne (West Bromwich Albion). Forwards: [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/A/Benik-Afobe]Benik Afobe (Arsenal), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/B/Saido-Berahino]Saido Berahino (West Bromwich Albion), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/H/Robert-Hall]Robert Hall (West Ham United), [url=http://www.thefa.com/England/All-Teams/Players/H/Hallam-Hope]Hallam Hope (Everton). None of them are getting a real chance at club level. I believe we should send as many of our hopeful youngsters out on a 1 or 2 year loan in Europe to broaden their horizons to different styles of football (what are they actually doing at their clubs?) Or the FA can drastically change things so that the majority of a starting line up MUST be English. Something just has to be done, otherwise i fear we won't win anything in my lifetime. A real shame at 20 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams71 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Its no surprise to me that the two best teams in the tournament Spain and Germany have 7 or 8 players in their team that play together at the same club,Barcelona and Bayern Munich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyBilly Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I was pretty shocked at that performance I have to say. No idea why Hodgson decided to play the entire tournament with 10 men. How Young never got subbed is beyond me. Quarters was a good achievement based on how limited the team is, no real undue criticisms barring Young and Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch 23 Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 We should, but we dont. You only have to look at our midfield to know that going forward and on the ball we couldnt even match the Ukranians. De Rossi and Pirlo are so much better than Gerrard and Parker it's embarassing. But, as i've said, it's not the actual players ability in itself. It's the mentality and way they're told to play that will means England will never progress. The best sides in the world playing passing, possession football in some way or another. I think Swansea this year showed that you dont have to have top, top footballers to play a possession game. But if you train and focus on doing so with the manager installing the correct mentality it can be done. I agree totally with this, the issue of course relates to a point I made earlier. We could get a decent England team out of the young players we've got (Wilshere, Cleverley, Walker, Richards, Welbeck, Rodwell etc) if, say, they trained as a team every fortnight, learning to bond and work together, practising passing and possession, working as a team unit and installing the correct mentality. But can you see Fergie and co letting their players do this? Course not, the Premier League teams are far too selfish to allow this. Fergie won't even allow Hernandez to play in the Olympics for Mexico, because 'he needs a rest', forgetting the obvious point that it's his job as a professional footballer (I'm probably just bitter because I've got tickets to see Mexico v Gabon, and was looking for reasons to enjoy the game 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' />). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 You are massively over-rating the Italians, player for player we should match them and that's why I cant except 'well at least we tried' attitude, should of been so much better and after the first half we was pathetic! The whole squad bar three play in italy, and we've heard how bad prior to the euros how bad the italian leagues are but obviously not. You massively underate them, or massively overrate the English players... You're judging the players by the standard of the league and that's wrong.. The PLs standard isn't as good as what people think but the top teams we do have consist of very little English players.. As a percentage top teams in Italy (bar Inter Milan) field Italian players and their better players are Italian, it's the complete opposite to England. I'd like to know player for player how you come to that conclusion.. Abate is better than Cole going forward, much better.. Englands defence is solid, but so is the Italians.. They've conceded less than England at this tournament playing against better teams.. Just look at the midfields.. England have Milner (Man Citys 6th best midfielder?) Gerrard (always outshone by better midfielders like Lucas, Alonso, Macherano etc), Parker (Spurs 5th best midfielder? not a patch on Modric) and Young (Uniteds 4th best attacking player behind Valencia, Nani and Giggs).. Now compare that to Pirlo (one of Europes best and in a midfield that went the entire year unbeaten), Di Rossi (Romas best midfielder and genuine with worldclass ball control and passing range), Marchisio (another Juventus diamond who has incredible movement, ball ability, passing) and last but not least my favourite Montolivo (who was so good at Fiorentina that AC Milan have bought him - his technique is just incredible.. When you have 4 midfielders of this quality, all with better technique, ballcontrol, passing ability, movement is it any wonder where the game was won? The midfield is so important and Englands midfield is poor.. You can not rate Englands team on any perception of the PL and those of other Leagues.. Seriously, look at it closely and you realise that midfielders from teams who aren't even in the top 4 (Cabaye - Newcastle, Arteta (prior to Arsenal), Felleini - Everton, Dempsey - Fulham) would all get into this England team.. Our midfield is so bad and overrated it's scary.. Their jobs (Gerrard, Milner, Parker, Young) for their respective clubs is to be the headless chicken and run around and support their better midfielders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I agree totally with this, the issue of course relates to a point I made earlier. We could get a decent England team out of the young players we've got (Wilshere, Cleverley, Walker, Richards, Welbeck, Rodwell etc) if, say, they trained as a team every fortnight, learning to bond and work together, practising passing and possession, working as a team unit and installing the correct mentality. But can you see Fergie and co letting their players do this? Course not, the Premier League teams are far too selfish to allow this. Fergie won't even allow Hernandez to play in the Olympics for Mexico, because 'he needs a rest', forgetting the obvious point that it's his job as a professional footballer (I'm probably just bitter because I've got tickets to see Mexico v Gabon, and was looking for reasons to enjoy the game 'http://www.dcfcfans.co.uk/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/angry' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':angry:' />). Without being biased Mexico has one of the best U23s in the world.. (The U17, U20 and U23 are all world champions).. You lucky git, watch out for Marco Fabian (he'll play as a false number 9) he has an incredible future.. As do the majority of them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duracell Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 I agree with Bris actually. With the team we had, we did ok in the end. The game is about scoring goals and we played a much better team than us, yet in the game, we dragged them down to our level. It took penalties to stop us. I also don't get England fans. Everyone went in with low expectations, apparently, yet there's still shock that we went out in the quarter-finals to Italy. I'm happy with our tournament. We won the group and could have beaten Italy on penalties. Good stuff really considering we don't have any world class players in our team. "What about Gerrard and Rooney?" - well, Gerard is very good at Premier League football and Rooney is good for United but until they orchestrate a decent team performance for England, they don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Pirlo. And I'm not overrating Pirlo - I'm being realistic about our players. It's annoying though because I think we could make up a pretty decent side out of players that don't necessarily stand out in the Premier League. No more Gerard of Lampard for me. Parker can stay as an example of what hard work and simple passing should look like. Richards in, Zamora in (when he played for England, he played out of his skin - what a beautiful insult to Rooney etc that would be if he was picked ahead of them), and I'd build the team around the Cleverleys, Rodwells, and Wilsheres. Defoe should start. Crouch is like Caroll but with a decent pair of feet so he should be in. John Terry is also a n0b. Martin Kelly and Stewart Downing wouldn't get anywhere near the England set-up. Injuries haven't helped but we could be just as effective by playing different players and looks a lot better as we go about our business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Well I flew back, landed at 5 and went straight to work so I'm rait tired. Only saw one Derby flag anorl. We've performed at about our level, I'm not too disappointed and I think given the circumstances, particularly how little time Hodgson had to prepare, and the number of injuries we've done ok. We did well to take them to penalties. Time now for Terry, Lampard, possibly Gerrard and Cole to step aside. Not because I've got any problem with them but there are now bright young players who need meaningful match experience at international level to get them ready for Brazil. I'm hopeful for 2014 but only if players get exposure to the national set up now. As an aside, England fans were exceptional yesterday. Really well behaved, well mannered and were mingling with the locals and chatting away to the Italian supporters. Couldn't be further away from Charleroi and Marseilles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 England goalkeeper Joe Hart had 85 touches vs Italy, more than any other goalkeeper in the history of the Euros and any England player in the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Euro 2012: The telling statistics that damn England England had on average 39% of the possession in their four games, their lowest figure at a tournament since Euro 1980 – and the figures get worse England goalkeeper Joe Hart England’s most successful passing combination against Italy was the goalkeeper Joe Hart, above, to the substitute striker Andy Carroll. 30 Cristiano Ronaldo has had more shots in his first four games at Euro 2012 than the entire England squad (29) had at the tournament 20 Italy had more shots on target in their quarter-final match than England had in total in their four matches in Ukraine 88 England conceded more than twice as many shots to France, Sweden, Ukraine and Italy than they had against those teams 39 England had on average 39% of the possession in their four games, their lowest figure at a tournament since Euro 1980 29 Ashley Young and James Milner put in 29 crosses in the four games. Only three reached an England team-mate 300 England averaged 300 passes per match. The four semi-finalists have averaged 479 15 England completed only 15 passes in the 15 minutes of the second period of extra-time against Italy 18 England's most successful passing combination against Italy was the goalkeeper Joe Hart to the substitute striker Andy Carroll 115 Andrea Pirlo had more passes against England than England's four starting midfielders had against Italy 18 Mesut Ozil has created 18 chances in Germany's four games. Steven Gerrard, England's most prolific chance creator, has made six 102 England ran on average 102km in their four matches. Italy ran 7.5km further on average per match 86 England have had the most tackles in the tournament, with Steven Gerrard's 18 the most of any player 29 England have blocked the most shots at Euro 2012, 17 more than Italy, 19 more than Germany, 21 more than Portugal and 24 more than Spain Stats supplied by Opta England's player of Euro 2012, according to our readers' player ratings, was Gerrard. Gerrard pips Hart to that honour, with England's back four next on the list, reflecting where the emphasis of Roy Hodgson's team lay. With the exception of Jordan Henderson, who received low marks for his substitute appearances against France and Italy, Ashley Young and Wayne Rooney were the worst England players on display in Ukraine. Gerrard 6.80 Hart 6.63 Lescott 6.40 Johnson 6.38 Terry 6.20 Cole 6.15 Carroll 6.03 Welbeck 5.90 Parker 5.70 Walcott 5.68 Oxlade-Chamberlain 5.57 Defoe 5.10 Milner 4.80 Rooney 4.75 Young 4.60 Henderson 4.35 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/25/euro-2012-statistics-damn-england Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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