Perky1106 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Normal logic: Sign a right-back as a squad player. Play him when your favoured right-back gets injured. Clough logic: Sign a right-back as a squad player. Play another player out of position when your favoured right-back gets injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackNwhites Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Tom Naylors first position is centre back, just so that's clear. Like Paul Green, he can fill in at right back...like Shaun Barker also at right back, and Jason Shackell at left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Well the commentators on Thursday refered to him as a "full-back". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
networker1884 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Honestly, I'm surprised with this. Usually if Clough has his heart set on playing someone he sticks to it whatever the cost. Maybe he's finally realised that Green got raped by Leicester's Left winger on Thursday and its not working. Ah, its nice that Clough is making, what I would call, the correct decision for once...Welldone Nige! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I think Clough is playing Green out if position to ruin his chances of a move to a better club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I thought Green had done pretty well at right back, he was very poor against the foxes but in the others he has been alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotherhamRam Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I know Green has played out of position at RB but he can play there. In respect of Naylor some moan about players coming from non-league into the team. Naylor is what 20 with not much experience, learning to play at a higher level and the expectations of playing at this level and the demands on a player. Against Leicester he would have faced Dyer who is very good at this level, is quick and damages a lot of teams in this division. Now Clough has to decide does he play a 20yr old who has never played at this level in a position he is learning (as I should imagine he will be backup in that position and/or left back) against a player like that OR he plays an international standard player who can play that position if required and use his experience and knowledge against a player like Dyer. I think Greenie was the best option however Greenie did not work out and I don't think that this was totally down to him playing RB I think it was down to he could not tackle (look at Beckford 2nd half), He was flat footed, could not pass and definately could not shoot, Greenie just had a bad day at the office and it cost us. Clough did see however when a player is having a bad day at the office and if that player is out of position it does have more of an impact. Naylor is a defender but is he ready. I think also putting Naylor into a derby game at home could have broken him as we as fans can get on the back of players especially if they have come from a lower division. If he had a mare at home would he be given a chance by the fans in future games? I agree with Clough if he is training well and coming along then give him a go and Birmingham away would be a good one. Tough opposition and the pressure of playing away is different to playing at home in front of 25000 home fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Completely agree, though I think Birmingham isn't the right game either, they lost at home last week n I think they will come out fired up and may attack Naylor from the off, if he has a torrid first 5 10 mins then he could be damaged!! Start with green and bring Naylor on as a sub... Ease him into the start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I know Green has played out of position at RB but he can play there. In respect of Naylor some moan about players coming from non-league into the team. Naylor is what 20 with not much experience, learning to play at a higher level and the expectations of playing at this level and the demands on a player. Against Leicester he would have faced Dyer who is very good at this level, is quick and damages a lot of teams in this division. Now Clough has to decide does he play a 20yr old who has never played at this level in a position he is learning (as I should imagine he will be backup in that position and/or left back) against a player like that OR he plays an international standard player who can play that position if required and use his experience and knowledge against a player like Dyer. I think Greenie was the best option however Greenie did not work out and I don't think that this was totally down to him playing RB I think it was down to he could not tackle (look at Beckford 2nd half), He was flat footed, could not pass and definately could not shoot, Greenie just had a bad day at the office and it cost us. Clough did see however when a player is having a bad day at the office and if that player is out of position it does have more of an impact. Naylor is a defender but is he ready. I think also putting Naylor into a derby game at home could have broken him as we as fans can get on the back of players especially if they have come from a lower division. If he had a mare at home would he be given a chance by the fans in future games? I agree with Clough if he is training well and coming along then give him a go and Birmingham away would be a good one. Tough opposition and the pressure of playing away is different to playing at home in front of 25000 home fans Good points there Rothers about the dilemma facing managers. Naylor could have come in, had a blinder and Clough would be praised. Then again, he could have had a stinker and the manager would have been vilified. At the moment, he might as well gamble as nowt seems to be working anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotherhamRam Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 That is pretty much what Clough has said. They took the safety option first in Green that did not work out and now is the time to let Naylor have a go. I really hope it works out for him. I also hope it works out and that they are looking at him to replace Roberts at LB in the long term. He is young and with time can be trained to cover that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotherhamRam Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 . He's not a left back. Looks to me like a centre back who could fill in at right back at a push. Doesn't go forward that much and will need to improve that side of his game. Scholsey ie Connolly looks much more a full back to me who can also go forward. Square pegs in round holes commes to mind. squares pegs will always be found whilst transfer funds are not available. It seems so tight this year that we can not even fund loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 This whole 'Green can play RB' had he ever played there for us or any other club before Nigel came along? I don't even rate the guy as a Right Mid. He's a Centre Mid and is constantly moved due to his willingness to try and play in whatever role he's given. Nigel said that Green took that second or two too long with his chance against Leicester and that it was down to confidence, hmmm that or he's not playing in the role where he get's in those positions as often and so it's not coming as 2nd nature to him at the moment. Green is not a right back Carroll is not a right winger Bailey is not a right winger Hendrick is not a right winger Moan about money if you want but the last few games we've had £850k worth of talent that can't make the bench. If we have little in the way of funds then why are we wasting it on players to play in the reserves? Why are we loaning another Centre Mid when we have out own and not a right back? I'm sure we could afford another loan and the owners haven't blocked that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curb Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 This whole 'Green can play RB' had he ever played there for us or any other club before Nigel came along? I don't even rate the guy as a Right Mid. He's a Centre Mid and is constantly moved due to his willingness to try and play in whatever role he's given. Nigel said that Green took that second or two too long with his chance against Leicester and that it was down to confidence, hmmm that or he's not playing in the role where he get's in those positions as often and so it's not coming as 2nd nature to him at the moment. Green is not a right back Carroll is not a right winger Bailey is not a right winger Hendrick is not a right winger Doyle is not a right winger Ben Davies is not a Right Winger Moan about money if you want but the last few games we've had £850k worth of talent that can't make the bench. If we have little in the way of funds then why are we wasting it on players to play in the reserves? Why are we loaning another Centre Mid when we have out own and not a right back? I'm sure we could afford another loan and the owners haven't blocked that. Fixed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Cheers Curb. Maybe it'd be quicker to just list the right wingers ....... Well that was easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 This whole 'Green can play RB' had he ever played there for us or any other club before Nigel came along? I don't even rate the guy as a Right Mid. He's a Centre Mid and is constantly moved due to his willingness to try and play in whatever role he's given. Nigel said that Green took that second or two too long with his chance against Leicester and that it was down to confidence, hmmm that or he's not playing in the role where he get's in those positions as often and so it's not coming as 2nd nature to him at the moment. Green is not a right back Carroll is not a right winger Bailey is not a right winger Hendrick is not a right winger Moan about money if you want but the last few games we've had £850k worth of talent that can't make the bench. If we have little in the way of funds then why are we wasting it on players to play in the reserves? Why are we loaning another Centre Mid when we have out own and not a right back? I'm sure we could afford another loan and the owners haven't blocked that. Green played right back quite a few tiimes at Donny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Green played right back quite a few tiimes at Donny. Well then he did play there before Nigel. Still doesn't make him a right back. Steven Gerrard has been played at Right Back before, wouldn't class him as a RB though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 We dont have a right back on the books though apart from brayford, well apart from a youth player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 "Green is not a right back Carroll is not a right winger Bailey is not a right winger Hendrick is not a right winger Doyle is not a right winger Ben Davies is not a Right Winger " In fairness, some of them struggle to actually be footballers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Ram Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Tom Naylors first position is centre back, just so that's clear. Like Paul Green, he can fill in at right back...like Shaun Barker also at right back, and Jason Shackell at left back. He's played as right back in the reserve fixtures and done well. I would add the point that he had Barker and Riggott alongside him for a while which probably helped him. The one thing that is for sure is that Green at right back doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 Non league Nige played Non league Naylor at right back today and had a very good game. Good technique and seemed comfortable playing in that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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