Curtains Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Clough got team selection right yesterday but in a mad session our defence got caught square twice looking for offside which effectively ended the game and put pressure on the rest of the team . They battled but nothing went right I felt for the lads yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Shackell yesterday was pudding, from passing to controlling, from marking to talking!!! Couldnt trap wind yesterday!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 OB and Shacks massively out of form, Bray not sharp enough, the only player who defended alright was Roberts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Clough got team selection right yesterday but in a mad session our defence got caught square twice looking for offside which effectively ended the game and put pressure on the rest of the team . They battled but nothing went right I felt for the lads yesterday sorry but surely that is how clough set the defence up then? we were caught constantly at the back and it could have been 4 or 5, clough tells the defence how to play he set it up wrong and this was clough's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 sorry but surely that is how clough set the defence up then? we were caught constantly at the back and it could have been 4 or 5, clough tells the defence how to play he set it up wrong and this was clough's fault. You are too quick to want to blame Clough for everything. He can't make every decision for them whilst they are playing. If you have to have someone to blame I thought Magiure and Cwyka were hopeless. As someone else said both central defenders were not up to it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 You are too quick to want to blame Clough for everything. He can't make every decision for them whilst they are playing. If you have to have someone to blame I thought Magiure and Cwyka were hopeless. As someone else said both central defenders were not up to it either. He did buy them all though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex W Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Shackell is quality, just out of form at the moment it seems. O'Brien isn't ready, we all knew that, he's for the future. Brayford wasn't match-fit (Not match-sharp anyway) and Roberts is average. Not sure what other selection options Clough had really, aside from Leacock or Buxton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I think our defence is coming under more pressure again as we arent doing anything going forward, when you can keep the ball up the other end for long periods its not as hard to defend well. 8 goals against in the last 3 is very poor though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 sorry but surely that is how clough set the defence up then? we were caught constantly at the back and it could have been 4 or 5, clough tells the defence how to play he set it up wrong and this was clough's fault. It's not Clough's fault Shackell was poo, when he was great a few weeks ago. That's form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I don't think Buxton did that badly away at P'boro - might be worth giving him a go through the middle of O'B's form is starting to drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanedavid Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 the defence was under so much pressure because yet again every time they cleared it, the ball came straight back. WE NEED A TARGET MAN up front who can hold on to the ball and then bring Davies and Bryson etc into the game going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The best teams defend from the front Clough has spent the majority of the money he's had improving an area which still ships an average of over 60 goals plus a season.. Our defence (well goals against) has barely improved since Clough walked through the door despite having a good $3mill spent on it.. This season in 17 league games we've conceded 25 goals.. It looks like our against record will once again be in the high 60s despite the emergence of OB and $1mill on Shackell.. Clough IMO has been focusing far too much time on a part of the team that isn't going to improve.. He needs to focus on attacking players or giving us a stronger spine.. We've needed a decent CM and ST for about 3 years now, how he hasn't got them in yet is beggers belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 You are too quick to want to blame Clough for everything. He can't make every decision for them whilst they are playing. If you have to have someone to blame I thought Magiure and Cwyka were hopeless. As someone else said both central defenders were not up to it either. sorry if the truth hurts, he sets the defence up how he wants them to play, if they don't follow that you then have to question the ability of the players he brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 sorry if the truth hurts, he sets the defence up how he wants them to play, if they don't follow that you then have to question the ability of the players he brought in. Are you questioning Shackell then, based on a few games that he's been under par? And if so, why weren't you questioning him when he was playing well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Are you questioning Shackell then, based on a few games that he's been under par? And if so, why weren't you questioning him when he was playing well? did i mention shackell? no I didn't, I am saying that if we consistently concede too many goals which is happening we have to question why that is happening, whether it's the players we have, the tactics we deploy or any other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 did i mention shackell? no I didn't, I am saying that if we consistently concede too many goals which is happening we have to question why that is happening, whether it's the players we have, the tactics we deploy or any other reason. 'you then have to question the ability of the players he brought in.' My question is whose ability in that back four are you questioning? Presumably all of them, but why do only question it when we lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 'you then have to question the ability of the players he brought in.' My question is whose ability in that back four are you questioning? Presumably all of them, but why do only question it when we lose? well i personally think in players we have a decent back 4 except for roberts, I think the problem is clough's tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 well i personally think in players we have a decent back 4 except for roberts, I think the problem is clough's tactics. I think the problem is we're out of form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Ram Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I think the problem is we're out of form. I think the problem is we have been out of form for almost 3 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I think the problem is we have been out of form for almost 3 years now. We've been through this mate, nearly everyone on this forum has. If you still don't get it, let's leave it. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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