Sparkle Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 hours ago, WystonRam said: This is from the Yorkshire post United spent several weeks in talks over Derby forward Matej Vydra, but pulled back from discussions after learning that Vydra was seeking an increased wage of over £50,000 a week. Read more at: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united-s-frustrations-mount-as-winger-jozefzoon-heads-to-derby-county-1-9260518 Again why would he go to a club that is currently just average and leave a club where he scored 20 plus goals last season If they can’t offer him a decent pay rise because it’s the only incentive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thederbyram Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 The only way Vydra fits in this team is as a false 9. People who have been to the first couple of games..what role have Jerome/Nugent been playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Vydra fits into any team if you ask him to score goals And you give him the ball in the right areas which means not 8 foot high with his back to goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I guess, now, you're going to have to bear with me on this, that Vydra could play in the number 9 role providing he isn't on the last man. A false 9 position, if you will. Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Forsyth Huddlestone Bryson Mount Wilson Vydra Lawrence It just means that we really don't have an outlet. Vydra will ultimately play the same role, but we need the entire team closer together. Wilson, Bryson, Mount & Lawrence will all have to be options to run behind him. In all honesty, I don't see what the difference between this strategy is and what it would have to be if we signed Marriott. We still wouldn't have an outlet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Southampton game - score does not matter. Carson Wisdom, Davies, Keogh, Lowe/Bogle Mount, Huddlestone, Bryson Wilson, Lawrence, Jozefzoon Jerome Subs - everybody else Fastest team in the league. Score C FLDCFC 2 - 3 Saints £5 on ramstv - jobs a gud 'un. ton game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thederbyram Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Sparkle said: Vydra fits into any team if you ask him to score goals And you give him the ball in the right areas which means not 8 foot high with his back to goal So....not as a classic centre forward then? I said that.. We played 4-3-3 under Mac and we used Martin as a focal point. Vydra won't be able to do that. So, have we been using a false 9 in pre season so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thederbyram Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, Rampage said: Southampton game - score does not matter. Carson Wisdom, Davies, Keogh, Lowe/Bogle Mount, Huddlestone, Bryson Wilson, Lawrence, Jozefzoon Jerome Subs - everybody else Fastest team in the league. Score C FLDCFC 2 - 3 Saints £5 on ramstv - jobs a gud 'un. ton game 12 men? I know it's a friendly but there might be a rule against that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thederbyram Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ambitious said: In all honesty, I don't see what the difference between this strategy is and what it would have to be if we signed Marriott. We still wouldn't have an outlet. Except Marriott supposedly runs the channels, which is something Vydra has never done in his Derby career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ambitious said: I guess, now, you're going to have to bear with me on this, that Vydra could play in the number 9 role providing he isn't on the last man. A false 9 position, if you will. Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Forsyth Huddlestone Bryson Mount Wilson Vydra Lawrence It just means that we really don't have an outlet. Vydra will ultimately play the same role, but we need the entire team closer together. Wilson, Bryson, Mount & Lawrence will all have to be options to run behind him. In all honesty, I don't see what the difference between this strategy is and what it would have to be if we signed Marriott. We still wouldn't have an outlet. .it looks great but as you say there is no strength up top to hold the ball which does need doing now we all know in a 433 a fully fit Martin can do that very well but all the signs are that currently the manager has not had an opportunity to see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 If you have got four really fast runners you do not need a target man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, thederbyram said: 12 men? I know it's a friendly but there might be a rule against that... Good point, tdr. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thederbyram Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Rampage said: If you have got four really fast runners you do not need a target man. Not sure I agree with that. Fulham had one of the fastest, most attractive teams last season and benefited vastly when Mitrovic joined their ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 If Vydra can only play one role and isn’t happy playing/trying another, he’s not worth over 10m and if I was a supporter of a buying club, I wouldn’t want him to join. I think people get too obsessed with No 9s 10s and so on and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, thederbyram said: 12 men? I know it's a friendly but there might be a rule against that... Delete Jerome. In fairness all my best team selections have 12 men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shang Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, thederbyram said: Not sure I agree with that. Fulham had one of the fastest, most attractive teams last season and benefited vastly when Mitrovic joined their ranks. Agree with this, I think they tried having Martin playing like Mitrovic but he gives up too easily and get frustrated too quickly. Mitrovic fights for every ball and can lay off the ball really well. Martin can get marked out the game way too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, thederbyram said: Not sure I agree with that. Fulham had one of the fastest, most attractive teams last season and benefited vastly when Mitrovic joined their ranks. We could do with a proven fast target man who can get 20 goals. Have you got £15 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 27 minutes ago, Ambitious said: I guess, now, you're going to have to bear with me on this, that Vydra could play in the number 9 role providing he isn't on the last man. A false 9 position, if you will. Carson Wisdom Keogh Davies Forsyth Huddlestone Bryson Mount Wilson Vydra Lawrence It just means that we really don't have an outlet. Vydra will ultimately play the same role, but we need the entire team closer together. Wilson, Bryson, Mount & Lawrence will all have to be options to run behind him. In all honesty, I don't see what the difference between this strategy is and what it would have to be if we signed Marriott. We still wouldn't have an outlet. This is my concern with Marriott. Bags for fun but is he really a 'focal' point of the attack? Vydra is a lot stronger than he looks as well as being electric. Could he be the foil up front that Chrissy Martin was when he had balls played in at chest height and lower? He could also run the channels if we need an outlet? I'm not fussed if he stays or goes, just wondering how he'd go on playing centrally on his own. I guess we haven't seen a lot of him in that position as he spent various stages of last season playing off Martin, then Nuge then Jerome. As long as we're not pumping balls up to his head, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to be that focal point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, Shang said: Agree with this, I think they tried having Martin playing like Mitrovic but he gives up too easily and get frustrated too quickly. Mitrovic fights for every ball and can lay off the ball really well. Martin can get marked out the game way too easily. Not sure I agree with all of that but anyway Newcastle want £20 million for mitrovic so there is a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 3 hours ago, WystonRam said: This is from the Yorkshire post United spent several weeks in talks over Derby forward Matej Vydra, but pulled back from discussions after learning that Vydra was seeking an increased wage of over £50,000 a week. Read more at: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united-s-frustrations-mount-as-winger-jozefzoon-heads-to-derby-county-1-9260518 I thought they were a BIG club ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thederbyram Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rampage said: We could do with a proven fast target man who can get 20 goals. Have you got £15 million? I've said in a different thread I think. Tammy Abraham was option A, and I still think we're holding out hope that no Premier League club wants him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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