jono Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I am a bit busy work wise but when I get an hour or three I want to do a simple 2 team all time record study ...over say the post war period or the last 100 years arriving at 1) Derby County's whipping boy = most victories against 2) Derby County's nemesis = most losses against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North East Ram Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 12 hours ago, admira said: OK, here are the Premier stats. Who would have known that we've not lost at home to Manchester City for 16 games, a run going back to 1969? How come we always get Chelsea in the cup and not them? Number of games played since Rams WON home or away Arsenal 13 Burnley 12 Sunderland 10 Chelsea 9 Liverpool 9 Middlesbrough 5 Southampton 5 Everton 4 Manchester City 4 Leicester City 3 Manchester United 3 Crystal Palace 2 Tottenham Hotspur 2 WBA 2 Bournemouth 1 Hull City 1 Stoke City 1 Watford 1 Swansea City 0 West Ham United 0 Number of games played since Rams LOST home or away Bournemouth 6 Watford 4 Swansea City 2 Sunderland 1 Manchester City 1 Hull City 1 West Ham United 1 Arsenal 0 Burnley 0 Chelsea 0 Liverpool 0 Middlesbrough 0 Southampton 0 Everton 0 Leicester City 0 Manchester United 0 Crystal Palace 0 Tottenham Hotspur 0 WBA 0 Stoke City 0 Number of games played since Rams WON at home Arsenal 6 Burnley 6 Sunderland 5 Chelsea 5 Liverpool 5 Southampton 5 Manchester City 4 Middlesbrough 2 Everton 2 Manchester United 2 Stoke City 2 Watford 1 Hull City 1 Leicester City 1 Crystal Palace 1 Tottenham Hotspur 1 WBA 1 Bournemouth 0 Swansea City 0 West Ham United 0 Number of games played since Rams LOST at home Manchester City 16 Bournemouth 4 Watford 3 WBA 3 Burnley 1 Sunderland 1 Southampton 1 Middlesbrough 1 Swansea City 1 West Ham United 1 Arsenal 0 Chelsea 0 Liverpool 0 Everton 0 Manchester United 0 Stoke City 0 Hull City 0 Leicester City 0 Crystal Palace 0 Tottenham Hotspur 0 Wigan 0 Burton Albion N/A Number of games played since Rams WON away Sunderland 13 Arsenal 11 Chelsea 11 Middlesbrough 10 Leicester City 10 Burnley 8 Crystal Palace 8 Everton 5 Tottenham Hotspur 5 Swansea City 4 Liverpool 4 WBA 3 Manchester United 3 Manchester City 2 Southampton 2 West Ham United 2 Bournemouth 1 Watford 0 Stoke City 0 Hull City 0 Number of games played since Rams LOST away Bournemouth 3 Watford 2 Hull City 2 Swansea City 1 Stoke City 1 Sunderland 0 Arsenal 0 Chelsea 0 Middlesbrough 0 Leicester City 0 Burnley 0 Crystal Palace 0 Everton 0 Tottenham Hotspur 0 Liverpool 0 WBA 0 Manchester United 0 Manchester City 0 Southampton 0 West Ham United 0 Sunderland? Crikey! How can that be? I've seen us beat them 6-0 at the BBG and 2-1 away at Joker Park and yet they're our bogey team. They really are the Navan R Johnson of football too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admira Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 8 hours ago, Tim Bucktoo said: Sunderland? Crikey! How can that be? I've seen us beat them 6-0 at the BBG and 2-1 away at Joker Park and yet they're our bogey team. They really are the Navan R Johnson of football too. We last beat them on 3 Feb 2001 with a Craig Burley winner. For the last away win you have to go back to 1990 - Saunders and Harford in a 2-1 win. Since 1991, our overall record v them is P27 W4 D8 L15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North East Ram Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 hour ago, admira said: We last beat them on 3 Feb 2001 with a Craig Burley winner. For the last away win you have to go back to 1990 - Saunders and Harford in a 2-1 win. Since 1991, our overall record v them is P27 W4 D8 L15 Not disputing the facts me owd. Living nearby I'm aware that it's been a while. I've been to most the blummin games the 'crikey' is aimed at how such a currently tawdry team as Sunderland (aka Man U reserves / relegation drama queens, 2005-present) are one of our stickiest bogies. Their ground must be sculptured from an enormous bogie. Although I presume some teams view us as equally dismal and sticky. But not as sticky as Toxteth O'Grady's (USA) world beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 maybe we should exclude the horrid prem season from the stats as it distorts the results. We didn't just lose to bogey sides that season we lost to everyone. perhaps I should get hold of the memory wipe stick from MIB and eliminate everything to do with that season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admira Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 16 hours ago, jono said: I am a bit busy work wise but when I get an hour or three I want to do a simple 2 team all time record study ...over say the post war period or the last 100 years arriving at 1) Derby County's whipping boy = most victories against 2) Derby County's nemesis = most losses against Ok @jono I've had a crack at this. Analysis based on just games against the other 91 current league teams, since the beginning of time. Includes cup games too. Based on three points for a win. Teams we've played the most Wolverhampton Wanderers 150 Middlesbrough 142 Everton 139 Sunderland 136 Aston Villa 135 Liverpool 135 Sheffield Wednesday 130 Blackburn Rovers 130 Stoke City 129 Newcastle United 123 Teams we've played the least Burton Albion 1 Crawley Town 1 Yeovil Town 2 Milton Keynes Dons 2 Exeter City 3 Rochdale 4 Newport County 4 Colchester United 5 Mansfield Town 6 AFC Bournemouth 10 Northampton Town 10 Oxford United 10 Accrington Stanley 10 Teams we've never played AFC Wimbledon Barnet Cheltenham Town Fleetwood Town Morecambe Stevenage Wycombe Wanderers Most wins against Wolverhampton Wanderers 64 Stoke City 51 Sheffield Wednesday 50 West Bromwich Albion 50 Middlesbrough 48 Sunderland 48 Everton 46 Leicester City 46 Sheffield United 46 Aston Villa 43 Most defeats against Everton 71 Liverpool 71 Aston Villa 68 Middlesbrough 63 Sunderland 58 Blackburn Rovers 54 Wolverhampton Wanderers 53 Leeds United 53 Newcastle United 52 Preston North End 49 Most draws against Sheffield Wednesday 38 Stoke City 37 Blackburn Rovers 35 Birmingham City 34 Newcastle United 33 Wolverhampton Wanderers 33 Middlesbrough 31 Sunderland 30 West Bromwich Albion 29 Chelsea 29 Manchester United 29 Liverpool 29 Least wins against Burton Albion 0 Crawley Town 0 Milton Keynes Dons 1 Newport County 1 Accrington Stanley 2 Colchester United 2 Exeter City 2 Yeovil Town 2 Rochdale 3 Oxford United 4 Least defeats against Northampton Town 0 Newport County 0 Yeovil Town 0 Mansfield Town 1 Rochdale 1 Exeter City 1 Milton Keynes Dons 1 Burton Albion 1 Crawley Town 1 Chesterfield 2 AFC Bournemouth 2 Colchester United 2 Most points against Wolverhampton Wanderers 225 Stoke City 190 Sheffield Wednesday 188 West Bromwich Albion 179 Middlesbrough 175 Sunderland 174 Leicester City 165 Everton 160 Birmingham City 160 Blackburn Rovers 158 Least points against Burton Albion 0 Crawley Town 0 Milton Keynes Dons 3 Yeovil Town 6 Exeter City 6 Newport County 6 Colchester United 7 Rochdale 9 Accrington Stanley 9 Mansfield Town 13 Now the tables that really matter: Highest points per game against Yeovil Town 3.00 Rochdale 2.25 Northampton Town 2.20 Mansfield Town 2.17 Exeter City 2.00 AFC Bournemouth 2.00 Chesterfield 1.93 Hartlepool United 1.93 Cambridge United 1.88 Gillingham 1.87 Lowest points per game against Burton Albion 0.00 Crawley Town 0.00 Accrington Stanley 0.90 Liverpool 0.99 Reading 1.00 Bolton Wanderers 1.08 Cardiff City 1.12 Aston Villa 1.13 Manchester United 1.14 Everton 1.15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 A brilliant piece of work Admira ! I had forgotten that the more you play someone means both wins and losses can ramp up. Middle borough being the obvious example the one that sticks out at first glance in the loins per game is that Reading one. Bolton being a team with a big history pre and post war you might expect it .. But Reading ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admira Posted December 2, 2016 Author Share Posted December 2, 2016 Our record v Reading: P41 W11 D8 L22, pretty bad Also interesting that we've only played Bournemouth ten times so five seasons out of our long history. Teams on Merseyside clearly our biggest problem but of the 16 teams we have the lowest points per game against, 10 of them are current Championship teams. Full list of points per game: (Championship teams in bold) In our history (against the 91 teams): P 6,937 W 1,914 D 1,195 L 1,879 Av points per game 1.39 Yeovil Town 3.00 Rochdale 2.25 Northampton Town 2.20 Mansfield Town 2.17 Exeter City 2.00 AFC Bournemouth 2.00 Chesterfield 1.93 Hartlepool United 1.93 Cambridge United 1.88 Gillingham 1.87Bristol City 1.81 Swindon Town 1.80 Doncaster Rovers 1.79 Plymouth Argyle 1.79Huddersfield Town 1.71 Southend United 1.71 Grimsby Town 1.68 Peterborough United 1.67 Notts County 1.65Barnsley 1.64Brighton & Hove Albion 1.63 Bury 1.63 Bradford City 1.61 Crystal Palace 1.60Brentford 1.59 Leicester City 1.56 Bristol Rovers 1.56 West Bromwich Albion 1.54 Leyton Orient 1.54 Blackpool 1.54 Oldham Athletic 1.53 Watford 1.52 Charlton Athletic 1.51 Portsmouth 1.51 Milton Keynes Dons 1.50 Newport County 1.50 Crewe Alexandra 1.50 Walsall 1.50Wolverhampton Wanderers 1.50 Southampton 1.49 Port Vale 1.48 Stoke City 1.47Rotherham United 1.46 Coventry City 1.46Sheffield Wednesday 1.45 Sheffield United 1.44 Tottenham Hotspur 1.43 Burnley 1.43 Luton Town 1.41 Millwall 1.40 Colchester United 1.40 Oxford United 1.40Fulham 1.39 Queens Park Rangers 1.39 Ssausagehorpe United 1.38Birmingham City 1.38 Carlisle United 1.36 Shrewsbury Town 1.36 Chelsea 1.35Nottingham Forest 1.34 Preston North End 1.31 Arsenal 1.31 Hull City 1.31 Sunderland 1.28 Swansea City 1.28 Manchester City 1.26 West Ham United 1.25 Middlesbrough 1.23Blackburn Rovers 1.22 Ipswich Town 1.21 Wigan Athletic 1.20 Newcastle United 1.20 Norwich City 1.17 Leeds United 1.16 Everton 1.15 Manchester United 1.14Aston Villa 1.13 Cardiff City 1.12 Bolton Wanderers 1.08Reading 1.00 Liverpool 0.99 Accrington Stanley 0.90Burton Albion 0.00 Crawley Town 0.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 So statistically, we should get a draw out of Wigan this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 2, 2016 Share Posted December 2, 2016 @admira ... With apologies for auto spell ( how points per game became loins per game is an interesting curiosity ! ) is the points per game adjusted to the 3 for a win ? To allow for that change in rules ? A fascinating excercise all round. I was kind of hoping there would be some mainstream side that we nearly always beat across time but it doesn't appear to be the case. The cheerful point is that in our history we win more than we lose and if we add in the draws then statistically speaking we have a good chance of points. is there an error in the played / won drawn / lost - They don't seem to add up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admira Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 On 02/12/2016 at 17:41, jono said: @admira ... With apologies for auto spell ( how points per game became loins per game is an interesting curiosity ! ) is the points per game adjusted to the 3 for a win ? To allow for that change in rules ? A fascinating excercise all round. I was kind of hoping there would be some mainstream side that we nearly always beat across time but it doesn't appear to be the case. The cheerful point is that in our history we win more than we lose and if we add in the draws then statistically speaking we have a good chance of points. is there an error in the played / won drawn / lost - They don't seem to add up ? Yes, adjusted for 3 points a game. The 6,937 was points. Games played should have been 4,988. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 4,988 games played plus Wigan = 4989 ... 11 games to go for DCFC 's 5000th fixture which looks like being away Newcastle in February .. A black and white festival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admira Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, jono said: 4,988 games played plus Wigan = 4989 ... 11 games to go for DCFC 's 5000th fixture which looks like being away Newcastle in February .. A black and white festival. Nice thought but I only included games against the current 92 in my stats. Our actual overall league record is: P 5,322 W 2,104 D 1,248 L 1,970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 pity ... no land marks close then ... hummmm but add cup games and we might be close on 6,000 fixtures played .. just joking don't do it ! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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