Sith Happens Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 The new league wont happen, not if we are having to 'find' teams to fill it. It will take a lot of people getting paid a lot of money, being put up in hotels, lots of jollies. Perhaps even a 'few' visits to other countries to 'examine' their league structures, then in the end they will say its best to leave it as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashz09 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Imagine travelling all the way from London to Scotland.. Surely they'll agree not to go ahead with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, Ashz09 said: Imagine travelling all the way from London to Scotland.. Surely they'll agree not to go ahead with this. Bilbao to Malaga - 571 miles Hamburg to Munich - 481 miles London to Glasgow - 411 miles Even Brighton to Glasgow is 461 miles comes out shorter than the longest distance in Bundesliga and La Liga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 7 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: The Welsh clubs thing is an historical thing with having them play in the English system being the only sensible way to do it at the time and is one of those things that's a fudge, but works well enough but hardly a precedent to take clubs from other existing football nations. Why not PSG? clearly PSG would cut it in the PL, be a money maker, hasten the cause of the big club super league they all dream of. PSG in the Prem is nowhere near being the same thing. You can find clubs all across Europe that have played in other countries that border with them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_country You even have 3 Welsh clubs playing in England whilst under the Welsh FA, even Swansea and Cardiff were up until 11/12. The FA had to change their own rules recently just so Swansea could compete in Europe after winning the league cup. If the FA are willing to rewrite rules for Wales I see no reason to stop Scottish clubs joining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 1 minute ago, David said: PSG in the Prem is nowhere near being the same thing. You can find clubs all across Europe that have played in other countries that border with them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_clubs_playing_in_the_league_of_another_country You even have 3 Welsh clubs playing in England whilst under the Welsh FA, even Swansea and Cardiff were up until 11/12. The FA had to change their own rules recently just so Swansea could compete in Europe after winning the league cup. If the FA are willing to rewrite rules for Wales I see no reason to stop Scottish clubs joining. Most of those will be similar to the Welsh situation, not the Scottish one. Sorry, but taking Rangers and Celtic into the English league would be the same as having PSG in there, not the same as Monaco playing in the French league or the Welsh clubs in England which, is a fudge based on practicalities at the time. 100% opposed to the old firm in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashz09 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 14 minutes ago, David said: Bilbao to Malaga - 571 miles Hamburg to Munich - 481 miles London to Glasgow - 411 miles Even Brighton to Glasgow is 461 miles comes out shorter than the longest distance in Bundesliga and La Liga Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Most of those will be similar to the Welsh situation, not the Scottish one. Sorry, but taking Rangers and Celtic into the English league would be the same as having PSG in there, not the same as Monaco playing in the French league or the Welsh clubs in England which, is a fudge based on practicalities at the time. 100% opposed to the old firm in England. Of course it's not, France do not border England yet they do Switzerland and Spain where French clubs have played. Be opposed to it fair enough but the PSG example is just daft, there is a huge difference between countries bordering each other and 20 odd miles of water between the two and a non English speaking country with a different currency and passport to get into. It's not even a new thing for Scottish clubs to play in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, David said: Of course it's not, France do not border England yet they do Switzerland and Spain where French clubs have played. When? The only examples given on that Wikipedia page are Evian, who applied to play in the Swiss league and were denied permission, and UE Bossòst, which is a tiny village with a population of 1000 who basically play sunday league in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 The solution to make this work is fairly simple as well and could benefit a lot of clubs and fans. Reduce Championship, League 1, 2 and Conference Premier down to 20 clubs, that will give you 16 to create League 3, plus Rangers and Celtic to make it 18. This would allow you to reduce mid week games down to the same level as Prem clubs, this would bump attendances across the country which will help the lower league clubs. Despite the hatred from many for the Old Firm you know most clubs would sell out when they come down and the away allocations up there. SPL will be better balanced as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 24 minutes ago, David said: Of course it's not, France do not border England yet they do Switzerland and Spain where French clubs have played. Be opposed to it fair enough but the PSG example is just daft, there is a huge difference between countries bordering each other and 20 odd miles of water between the two and a non English speaking country with a different currency and passport to get into. It's not even a new thing for Scottish clubs to play in England. There is a boarder. Its a wet one but it is. We are not talking about a pragmatic solution where it just makes sense for this club to go into that league. We are talking about cynically plucking the potentially profitable bits of another country's league system and putting it in the english leagues to make money and balls to the rest, so if you do that for the old firm, why not do it for PSG? Its probably easier for fans in london to get to paris than glasgow anyway on the eurostar, but thats not the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, Anon said: When? The only examples given on that Wikipedia page are Evian, who applied to play in the Swiss league and were denied permission, and UE Bossòst, which is a tiny village with a population of 1000 who basically play sunday league in France. You wasn't supposed to read it in depth, just look at the pretty flags and the club names thats it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said: There is a boarder. Its a wet one but it is. We are not talking about a pragmatic solution where it just makes sense for this club to go into that league. We are talking about cynically plucking the potentially profitable bits of another country's league system and putting it in the english leagues to make money and balls to the rest, so if you do that for the old firm, why not do it for PSG? Its probably easier for fans in london to get to paris than glasgow anyway on the eurostar, but thats not the point. You can't pluck a chicken that runs away and doesn't want to be plucked, these are chickens that are are willing pluckees It's easier for Brighton fans to get to PSG than Swansea, the Paris thing is just daft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 So if PSG want to be plucked by the premier league, that would change things? The PSG example im using is just to illustrate the point - taking the old firm out of scottish football would be the same as taking the leading club out of france just because you can and can make money out of it. Great for PSG, great for the PL but detrimental to the French leagues? Its not about practicalities its about identity and integrity. The old firm in england is the end of scottish football as a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 PSG is such a poor example to use it's not worth carrying this on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 2 hours ago, David said: Bilbao to Malaga - 571 miles Hamburg to Munich - 481 miles London to Glasgow - 411 miles Even Brighton to Glasgow is 461 miles comes out shorter than the longest distance in Bundesliga and La Liga They have a decent road and rail networks. We have never ending roadworks, the wrong type of leaf and replacement bus services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, McRamFan said: They have a decent road and rail networks. We have never ending roadworks, the wrong type of leaf and replacement bus services. We have a rail network that works fine unless you live in Grimsby, budget airlines work out much cheaper anyhow. The UK is pretty small, compared to other european countries, travel really wouldn't be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 43 minutes ago, David said: PSG is such a poor example to use it's not worth carrying this on. Why? Ok then the next example will be Lisbon and Porto. Thats not the point im driving at. The concept of taking leading clubs out of an established league for cynical profit and no other reason is, to me wrong. Its as wrong to do it with Celtic and Rangers as it would be to any other national league, hence my PSG example. My point has nothing to do with practicalities of arranging fixtures, its the whole concept thats wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 19 minutes ago, David said: We have a rail network that works fine unless you live in Grimsby, budget airlines work out much cheaper anyhow. The UK is pretty small, compared to other european countries, travel really wouldn't be an issue. Not at weekends, all the repairs are planned then as its not as busy. As for air travel, you would not find a same day return on a Saturday from Manchester to Edinburgh for under £300 or has a change in another airport for the return. I suppose you could stay over.... Not to mention games that kick off other than Saturday at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Why? Ok then the next example will be Lisbon and Porto. Thats not the point im driving at. The concept of taking leading clubs out of an established league for cynical profit and no other reason is, to me wrong. Its as wrong to do it with Celtic and Rangers as it would be to any other national league, hence my PSG example. My point has nothing to do with practicalities of arranging fixtures, its the whole concept thats wrong. How about Wrexham, 40 years playing in Wales before moving to England, pride themselves on being the oldest Welsh club, wheres the identity in that? is it ok because they are not a big club, no profit to be had? Swansea, the FA have to rewrite the rules just to get around UEFA so they could play in Europe under the English flag, identity still in tact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 30, 2016 Author Share Posted August 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, McRamFan said: Not at weekends, all the repairs are planned then as its not as busy. Come off it, so much for the superior German rail network... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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