zaragozaram Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Leicester and Nottingham Forest, everything that is wrong with modern football? Suing the Football League over FFP?. Embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Didn't they vote if in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knowle Rohrer Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Who says we are suing the Football League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaragozaram Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/05/wage-bills-leicester-city-nottingham-forest-losses?CMP=twt_gu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 This is how not to run a football club, decent article on QPR and how much money has been wasted and the impact that will have. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/qpr-financial-results-rangers-face-40m-fine-in-top-flight-of-debtors-9173772.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Who says we are suing the Football League? That will only happen next year, if and when the punishments are applied. It's safe to say that some clubs won't take it lying down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 At least Leicester will be in the Prem and have the riches to pay the fine. Clubs that don't get promoted will also have a transfer embargo applied. And if Leicester are so confident in suing the Footbal League, why did they spend so little over the summer and constantly state that it was because they have to conform to FFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Don't understand what Leicester's problem is. They'll go up, they'll get hit with a transfer embargo and they'll come back down with a ready-made excuse - "Not our fault, it was that nasty FA and their transfer embargo, otherwise we'd have walked the league......" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Didn't they vote if in? Leicester, Reading and Southampton voted against it - Forest had different ownership. I strongly suspect that this makes any legal appeal against sanctions likely to succeed as it would be found to be anti-competitive as the clubs had no choice but to compete in the Championship as there is no other suitable organisation which would allow them to go about their primary business. The same argument can be made by teams who were not in the division at the time of the vote. The only clubs likely to actually be tied in are the ones who voted for it that are still in the division and have the same ownership because they entered into it voluntarily...like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 FFP is what UEFA has brought in so its play by their rules or you are not in the club. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Financial_Fair_Play_Regulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 FFP is what UEFA has brought in so its play by their rules or you are not in the club. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Financial_Fair_Play_Regulations The FL isn't automatically covered by it though, that's why they had to vote on whether or not to adopt it. The threat of being banned from UEFA competitions or having prize monies withheld from participating in UEFA competitions isn't likely to hold much sway with FL clubs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 This is how not to run a football club, decent article on QPR and how much money has been wasted and the impact that will have. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/qpr-financial-results-rangers-face-40m-fine-in-top-flight-of-debtors-9173772.html Crikey, reading that squad you wonder how they got relegated and so badly. There's some quality in there. Definitely goes to show that a team is more than the sum of it's parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 The same argument can be made by teams who were not in the division at the time of the vote. But by that arguments couldn't most teams say: 'I don't agree with this 3 points for a win malarky, and no one consulted me when it was put in place, so I'm not going to conform to it. I want the whole league recalculated base don 2 points for a win. Oh look, we win the league." A rule is a rule. If a team doesn't like the rules of the Football League, they can piss off and start their own league with their own rules. They're lucky the Football League even let them vote. Was there a vote on the change to the offside rule? I understand this has greater complexities, because of the rights of football clubs as business entities. But a rule is a rule. Either all teams play by it, or no teams do. Anything else is cheating. And surely, when the teams enter the league, they have to sign something that says they agree to comply by the rules of that league. In fact, if these clubs win their case, if I ran the Football League, I would say they are no longer welcome in my League. When they get relegated from the Premier, they can go straight to the conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 At the end of the day, any club not agreeing to play by the FL's rules is surely prone to the FL withholding their golden share and thereby not allowing them to participate in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 The FL isn't automatically covered by it though, that's why they had to vote on whether or not to adopt it. The threat of being banned from UEFA competitions or having prize monies withheld from participating in UEFA competitions isn't likely to hold much sway with FL clubs.... That's the gumps ruled out of getting their 3rd star : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Don't understand what Leicester's problem is. They'll go up, they'll get hit with a transfer embargo and they'll come back down with a ready-made excuse - "Not our fault, it was that nasty FA and their transfer embargo, otherwise we'd have walked the league......" If you get promoted to the Prem you just get the fine - you don't get the transfer embargo I think it will be interesting to see how this pans out as the FL will be under majority pressure from the clubs who conformed, not to buckle to the spend-crazies. If they buckle then they might as well give up. Look at the points deduction system - that seems to work and is a pretty harsh penalty. Clubs have to conform if they want to stay in business. In the end, if these rich clubs want to dispute it, then the FL have the ace up their sleeve of saying, OK, don't pay the fine but find yourself another league to play in. Will they have the balls to do so?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 They're more likely to take that approach in the FL than the Prem. Can't see the FA telling Man City to do one, but you could see it happening in the FL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Let's hope so - there are no shortage of clubs who would be willing to shuffle up from the Conference and fill the gaps. The main argument against FFP is that it will mean no clubs will be strong enough to compete in the Prem when they get promoted. My view would be that if you've conformed to FFP then you can go up to the Prem and spend your riches on players, rather than paying off the massive debt you've accumulated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 But by that arguments couldn't most teams say: 'I don't agree with this 3 points for a win malarky, and no one consulted me when it was put in place, so I'm not going to conform to it. I want the whole league recalculated base don 2 points for a win. Oh look, we win the league." A rule is a rule. If a team doesn't like the rules of the Football League, they can piss off and start their own league with their own rules. They're lucky the Football League even let them vote. Was there a vote on the change to the offside rule? I understand this has greater complexities, because of the rights of football clubs as business entities. But a rule is a rule. Either all teams play by it, or no teams do. Anything else is cheating. And surely, when the teams enter the league, they have to sign something that says they agree to comply by the rules of that league. In fact, if these clubs win their case, if I ran the Football League, I would say they are no longer welcome in my League. When they get relegated from the Premier, they can go straight to the conference. The on pitch rules have the benefit of being long-satnding and don't materially affect a company's ability to trade. Sanctioning owners for lawfully investing in or refinacing their businesses does.The Football League needs to be very careful in this as it is effectivelly a monopoly supplier. If they are seen to be abusing their position it is they, rather than the clubs who could end up on the wrong side of fines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimbeard Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 So, if the FFP that we're currently talking about is a Football League thing, how would that affect anyone promoted to the Football Association PL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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