GSE and the Owners; where do you stand?

[G STAR RAM]

Jewell didn't want to spend any money in Jan, he knew we were down and what we spent would end up being wasted.  But GSE wanted to "make an impression" and their insistence was probably their one big mistake that has shaped their entire tenure at the club.

 

I can't buy into that at all I'm afraid.

 

How does already knowing we are down mean signing anyone was going to be wasted money?

 

I'm sure there were much better signings out there to be made than the players Jewell bought.

[Mostyn6]

Jewell didn't want to spend any money in Jan, he knew we were down and what we spent would end up being wasted.  But GSE wanted to "make an impression" and their insistence was probably their one big mistake that has shaped their entire tenure at the club.

 

he did a good job of hiding his reluctance by fluffing all that wonga on Carroll, Villa, Savage, Mills, Stubbs, Ghaly, Robert and Sterjovski(?). If Jewell was so conscious of the money being wasted, he could certainly have invested it a bit more wisely. I'm not sure that they had any influence in spending the money, I think it was Adam Pearson and Paul Jewell themselves that instigated it.

[uttoxram75]

Billy was gone before GSE got here...

Yes mate, i meant the players and wages left behind!

[G STAR RAM]

he did a good job of hiding his reluctance by fluffing all that wonga on Carroll, Villa, Savage, Mills, Stubbs, Ghaly, Robert and Sterjovski(?). If Jewell was so conscious of the money being wasted, he could certainly have invested it a bit more wisely. I'm not sure that they had any influence in spending the money, I think it was Adam Pearson and Paul Jewell themselves that instigated it.

 

I heard the owners drove him to an ATM withdrew all of the money and said 'now going make a signal of intent to the fans by signing household names such as Villa, Ghaly and Sterjovski'

[Martyn]

I'm not saying he couldn't have done better, but if he'd have signed decent/up-and-coming Champ-level players for a promo push the next season it's not really gonna make a big impression while we're in the Prem.

 

I just have the feeling if they'd kept their power dry until the summer, things would've been much less worse.  Even if Jewell hadn't spent well then it would've been less costly and owner's money may have stretched a bit further.

 

Just my feelings though.

[sausagemeat]

I was told, they didn't make a penny

They ALL made Millions - They only put a relatively small amount in each - ALL put the same amount in.

It is on record what they got paid out - millions made by each director.

[sausagemeat]

Not what Don Amott said last Monday in the pub, in front of plenty of Derby fans. Not what I was told by other board members in person. I was told they all doubled their money.

Bang on

[sausagemeat]

Clough walked out - agreed

 

Pickering - may have lost a lot of his own money but also left Derby on the edge of bankruptcy - not sure which part you are disputing

 

LOG - not aware of the facts and not sure how you could be either

Pickering - I feel for this guy - shafted by we all know who - lost over £ 30 million quid of his own money - badly let down by we all know who

LOG - Appreciate you dont have to believe me - However its totally accurate what I stated - understand that you may or may not take my word for it

[G STAR RAM]

They ALL made Millions - They only put a relatively small amount in each - ALL put the same amount in.

It is on record what they got paid out - millions made by each director.

 

Kind of contradictory there though.

 

You say in one post that they put very little in, doubled there money and made millions from it?

[Mostyn6]

I'm not saying he couldn't have done better, but if he'd have signed decent/up-and-coming Champ-level players for a promo push the next season it's not really gonna make a big impression while we're in the Prem.

 

I just have the feeling if they'd kept their power dry until the summer, things would've been much less worse.  Even if Jewell hadn't spent well then it would've been less costly and owner's money may have stretched a bit further.

 

Just my feelings though.

 

Sadly, Jewell arrived here a broken man, carrying the baggage of a failing marriage and the prospect of a scandal hanging over his head. His judgement was very much clouded, and whilst I have no doubt whatsoever that he did want success here, he did want to "do it" at a big(ger) club. His plan was flawed, his recruitment strategy was scattergun, his scouting poor and his loyalty unrewarded. Admittedly, Davies, Hulse, Green and Commons became decent signings, but from memory, lets look at the list:-

 

Carroll

Stubbs

Mills

Savage

Ghaly

Robert

Sterjovski

Villa

 

Green

Connolly

Davies

Hulse

Commons

Stewart

Albrechtsen

Ellington

Kazmierczak

Pereplotkins

the kid who trashed Stephen Pearsons flat. name escapes me. Dickinson??

Prijovic

Radovic

Varney

Powell

Tomkins

 

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[May Contain Nuts]

the kid who trashed Stephen Pearsons flat. name escapes me. Dickinson??

 

First I've heard of that.

 

[Mostyn6]

First I've heard of that.

 

 

REALLY? A lot of people reported it as Adam Pearson's flat. When I asked Adam, he said that he doesn't live in a flat, it was someone else with the same surname.

 

Apparently Liam Dickenson threw a party at S Pearson's gaff, some of Liam's less desirable acquaintances turned up and trashed it. I hear one even took a poo in one of Pearson's Scotland caps. Hence Dickenson being bombed out by Adam Pearson and Paul Jewell, deservedly so too... IMO

[AccountantRam]

G-Star Ram & Sausagemeat,

 

Just to calrify, my understanding was that £6m was put it in the form of ordinary shares - with holdings of beteween 300,000 & 1,000,000 , so not everyone put in the same amount.

[May Contain Nuts]

That rumour (or not rumour) didn't reach the forum I was on at the time.

I think you're having me on with the pooing bit though.

[May Contain Nuts]

Anyway, on another LOG note... didn't some of the other investors leave under somewhat of a cloud amidst rumours of fallings out?

[sausagemeat]

Kind of contradictory there though.

 

You say in one post that they put very little in, doubled there money and made millions from it?

Splitting hairs again I see

I said a relatively small amount - in terms of investing into a football club - not buying a can of beans !!

They invested a fraction of what they claimed they invested at the time (still a large amount to most people)

There investment was then multipied - hence made millions

[Mostyn6]

Anyway, on another LOG note... didn't some of the other investors leave under somewhat of a cloud amidst rumours of fallings out?

 

 

this was blamed on two things, well actually one thing twice! Billy Davies and Billy Davies.

 

Billy divided the board, half wanted rid, half wanted to keep.

 

Also, the chairman and CEO (Trevor Birch) approached Paul Jewell and offered him Davies' job, before Wembley. Jewell told Billy, Billy's solicitor demanded both were removed from their positions or he's sue for constructive dismissal. Birch left and Horton took over as acting chairman for a brief period.

[sausagemeat]

Splitting hairs again I see

I said a relatively small amount - in terms of investing into a football club - not buying a can of beans !!

They invested a fraction of what they claimed they invested at the time (still a large amount to most people)

There investment was then multipied - hence made millions

Meant - 'Their'

[G STAR RAM]

Splitting hairs again I see

I said a relatively small amount - in terms of investing into a football club - not buying a can of beans !!

They invested a fraction of what they claimed they invested at the time (still a large amount to most people)

There investment was then multipied - hence made millions

 

Sorry, was not necessarily aimed at you.

 

It was Mostyn that said they had invested £1million each, not the £5million claimed in the papers.

 

So if they doubled that £1million, they made £1million...not the millions you try to make it sound like?

 

Just for the record I am not sticking up for them because I like them, I'm sure if you are a regular reader of the forum you will know I have no affinity with the LOG as they are referred to.

[May Contain Nuts]

this was blamed on two things, well actually one thing twice! Billy Davies and Billy Davies.

 

Billy divided the board, half wanted rid, half wanted to keep.

 

Also, the chairman and CEO (Trevor Birch) approached Paul Jewell and offered him Davies' job, before Wembley. Jewell told Billy, Billy's solicitor demanded both were removed from their positions or he's sue for constructive dismissal. Birch left and Horton took over as acting chairman for a brief period.

 

 

Thanks, my memory is terrible!

 

I was thinking of the Marples departure as well, and rumours of a row about where the money came from for the Earnshaw signing, something like that. Essentially what I'm trying to get at in a totally non libellous way is: Was the necessity to sell up expediated by certain leading figures' inability to play nicely with others?