eddielewis

Our scouting stretches as far as Meadowhall food court

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/23726311.sheffield-wednesdays-marvin-johnson-watches-oxford-united-beat-derby/

Seems where it's come from

Maybe his scouting system is stuck in 2017 and it showing all these players ages as 25

I'm intrigued to know how many of the signings made by Rosenior would have come last summer if Warne arrived earlier. I can remember in one of the We are Derby videos he claimed 'I've tried to sign most of you at Rotherham'. I really doubt any of them would be here maybe Wildsmith at a push?

6 minutes ago, jameso said:

I don't disagree (except the part about Cashin's head as this appears to be more speculation not helped by post-match interview comments) but just to clarify, it's not that I think they'd sign him with no intention to play him. It's about expectation vs. speculation - they would see it that he has a lot of the right ingredients and could make it, but there's nothing lost if they take a punt on him because even if he never gets there (like Clarke and Hayden Roberts) they will get the opportunity to control his development through loan arrangements and will get revenue from that. It's a sensible business model from Brighton and retains the possibility of unearthing a gem who will make it from a collection of "possibles".

To also add to that I think the biggest difference of Brighton's scouting talent stockpile is that they really seem to plan each loan and keep a close watch/relationship with the player. Mitoma for example was loaned out not only to gain his work permit points but loaned out to Union SG where the Belgium league is a hotbed of Japanese players where he could settle down easily. Brighton was the only club available to sign Caicedo because they were the only club to know his agent. They have a vastly more humane system than Chelsea's under the Roman era where they would just palm them off to Vitesse. It seems this year Brighton have a player loaned out in 6 different leagues in europe/UK which I guess gives them good excuse not only to look at that player but also the pool of talent in that country. I can imagine if what Percy is saying is right where they have bid multiple times then they clearly have a plan for him.

8 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

That’s all well and good, but we don’t look remotely capable of playing that style of football with this squad. If we’re getting a new manager in, it’s going to have to be someone that can work with what we have, not what some people wish we have.

To add also with Wilder you could argue that his time in management has been and gone with his time at Sheff Utd. He managed his boyhood team taking them up from League 1 to the Prem. He fitted ethos and culture of Sheff Utd. He looked lost at Boro and at Watford. Does he have it in him to do the whole thing again. I doubt it. We're kind of facing the same predicament with Warne. Is his success at Rotherham down to fact he knew how the club operated having played there most his career and is it transferable here? It doesn't look like it so far.

How I see it if Warne doesn't last Clowes needs to figure out what style of football the fans want (could argue that most fans are used to and want 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 and play football on deck), how we recruit, and how can we stick to the plans if the manager needs to be changed because at the moment it just seems he gave the keys to shop to Warne on the basis of history of 3 promotions from league 1.

I would imagine that Curtis Nelson was a signing Mark Thomas had some part to play in meaning as he signed him for Oxford from Plymouth but it still goes against the grain that the only centre backs 30 or over that signed for Oxford since 2014 under him was John Mousinho and Mike Williamson.

We need footballing continuity but that shouldn't rest solely on the manager as it seems to be under Paul Warne. When Clowes saved the club I thought as although he's devout fan he's a total novice when comes to running a football club (do not take it as dig at him) and it would be sensible to recruit Chief exec/General Manager first before recruiting a Head Coach. Follow a similar modern method to Brentford/Brighton even Luton where they set the stall of a philosophy/style of play from under 16's to all the way to the seniors and signing of players and your just letting the Head Coach... coach and if that coach isn't doing well find another who matches the system. That's how the aforementioned teams have managed to press on even though their influential managers might have gone.

It's just seems weird and disjointed to me at least how you recruit a Head of Recruitment after the Manager only to let Paul Warne have total free reign over the signings over this summer who have no real re-sale value to them. If you look at Mark Thomas at Oxford it seems there was a focus to claim lads who just were let go from big clubs who over maybe after 1-2 seasons you could sell them on. 

Also i'm intrigued meaning as we should be and are determined to keep the Youth cat 1 are we going to change the philosophy of the playing style of the youth to match the 1st team. Over the years the Under 18s/21s have played 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 with a real focus of steady possession build up play and that's resulted in us having so many youth players doing well in the 1st team. You would expect that in 2/3 years time the youth talent should have recovered from the decimation of admin but it would be all for nothing if a youth player is talented for the 1st team and they can't fit in because the system or their role they are asked is so alien to them. Both Bird and Cashin are early examples of this.

It's still early days this season but it not only looks disjointed on the pitch but also off it.