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In the interest of balance, 3 seasons as manner in League 1 and promoted in each of them. Unfair to include those as player, coach or whatever as he’s not been in those roles with us.

That would be Rosenior’s 1.56 points per game v Warne’s 1.68 😉.

In the interest of balance, they only just stayed up last season. They averaged 1.5 points per game under Warne and then just under 1 point per game under Matt Taylor, who’s now been sacked. Without the good start under Warne, they probably would have gone down last season.

Now that’s what I don’t get. One minute it’s I’ll put some of the kids on if we’re 3 goals up. But when we’re 3 goals up and he makes his last change at 84 mins he doesn’t do that and says he’d used all the sub breaks. That’s why I think he’s focused on the moment and not the long term plan.

The bit in bold is something I’ve been mulling over. I don’t think Warne is a good long term planner or strategist, he focuses on short term wins. This may explain his promotions followed by immediate relegations. In some way, who can blame him when you see the flak for a defeat. I think we’ll see less U21 layers used in the EFL Trophy, which is a shame as it’s an ideal stage to gain experience. He wants the short term wins. He’s more Mourinho than Fergie - Mourinho built teams for the short term, Fergie built clubs to leave a legacy. For what it’s worth I wouldn’t say I’m pro-Warne but I’m pro-stability as I do think give a manager time we’ll benefit in the long run. But I’m wavering as to whether Warne is that manager.

Didn’t go and listened on the radio so it’s difficult to comment on the performance. Although it did sound like we were huffing and puffing a bit in the second half and ran out of ideas. As others have said, I do think Warne missed a trick by not using more of the academy players. He hinted at it on Saturday but it didn’t happen. After some promising performances last week it would have been an ideal opportunity to give a few more some minutes. It would have been an ideal next step in their development - higher profile competition, bigger crowd but not massive, tougher opposition. This could then lead to more time in EFL Trophy games and minutes in league matches as the season wears on. Given the number of players out of contract, easing some in during this season could save us a few quid in the summer.

I get what you mean but I see it a little differently. The way I translate it is a football manager/head coach is a bit like a head of department in a business. If that department, as a collective, isn’t performing then it’s the head who gets replaced.

Is this in the wrong thread? I’m going for FA Cup 1st round v Hartlepool. Lost 2-1. 1984 if I remember correctly.

No, in 84/85 we went out in the 1st round to Hartlepool. Edit: beaten to it by @DCFC_Sloth.

I wonder if @The Baron will state this in the next edition of the podcast? Just to clear up any confusion.

As long as I do that some time today it should work?

Top performance against one of the challengers. I think that was more like how Warne wants us to play, or how’s he’s described his type of football. High press, win the ball early, move it quickly. If we can do that consistently, we’ll be fine. To be outside the top 6 on goal difference going into the last international break of the year is a nice place to be. We’ve had a stuttering start and are in touch, others have yet to have a wobble. I think now to the next break around February will be a key period.

Was this The King’s last game? Watford in 1982?

Very sad news. I never met B4 but you form a picture in your mind. His positivity was fantastic, his glass wasn’t just half full, it was full to the brim and overflowing. His positive views about the club, how we would win every game, we could overturn the points deductions, his interesting valuations of players. The posts that I miss and always made me smile the most were when a poster said they couldn’t get to the game and the solutions he would offer. Simply brilliant. Now let’s go and get promotion!! My condolences to his family and friends. RIP B4 🐏.

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It was introduced for the clear and obvious but it’s used for everything. Just look at the 2 pens in the Man Utd game this week. Neither were penalties, no appeals, not obvious errors but VAR intervenes.

I think his use of the academy players last night is another example of Warne’s man management. As a group they’ve experienced a few days training with the first team, being involved in the match day prep and played minutes in a competitive fixture. And all of this in a safe environment. They’ve played at PP in front of a handful of fans, rather than 25k+ groaning at every mistake, even if one of them doesn’t make it it will probably affect them. And against another U21 team, which in my view will have been less pressure. At the fans forum, Warne said he’d seen young players take steps back in their careers by being rushed too soon. I think he’s doing his best to avoid that scenario, for the sake of the individual and the club. A smart move.

Indeed, you are correct about point 3…….

I think @Caerphilly Ram has pretty much answered that for me 👍. I think multiple player interviews, here and Rotherham, clips from We Are Derby, etc seem to support the view. And the busy period last season when we went a long unbeaten run support the view as, in my view, that’s more about man management to keep the players going and motivated than develop tactics and formations on the training ground.

Unlike you to produce some stats!!

I might be over-thinking this but I reckon we’ll go on a decent run after the international break. Maybe not unbeaten but a decent points per game. This is going to sound bizarre but we’ll be entering the hectic part of the season where we’ll have a lot of games. With cup games there’ll be quite a few midweek games, so a lot of Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday. PW has been quite vocal about his dislike for a busy schedule. But I think we’ll do better in this period, just look at last season. Ironically we’ll benefit from less time on the training ground, less time to over-think and more just getting on with it and dealing with the games. When we’ve had more time on the training ground in an international break, we’ve put in a poor performance. I think he’s a good man manager and good at building a strong team ethic and relationships. I just think he’s a bit one dimensional when it comes to football and tactics. If he had better tacticians around him, I think he’d do a lot better.

I keep looking for the home Patrick shirt from the early ‘80s. It was the first one I wanted as a kid, didn’t get it though. I managed to get the yellow away version earlier this year.