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I think he did a great job in ensuring we have a club , but I don't think he has the spending power to get us out of this league. I feel we will all be forever grateful, but I think he should pass the baton to someone with serious wealth if possible, now it appears a lot of the debt baggage has gone surely we are a more attractive buy now than when we were in administration 

I thought Ashley may have come back now we a stable 

5 hours ago, alram said:

YES.

 

i dont know how people can debate it isnt, this side is utterly terrible and devoid of any quality. the context of our opponents needs to be taken into account, the 11 point team would toy with this time however an unorganised mess they were, man for man we are terrible currently

I agree the lack of quality is the worst I have ever seen in 50 years 

I don't think we have one player who has the skill to do something special to create a goal 

its also far worse than last season Mr Warne from your recruitment 

13 minutes ago, sage said:

As it says on the tin, who was responsible for bringing in these summer 23 signings?

I don't think Derby have any pulling power anymore. 

but when you have a small budget why have we bought in 3 players who play in similar position in wing back . If we have limited spend surely we should strengthen in all areas of the pitch 

7 minutes ago, jameso said:

Hourihane was voted one of the league’s best midfielders by his League One peers so I do wonder if I’m missing something. He’s obviously got quality but keeps it to himself too much!

I don’t think Bird is considered one of the best at present, but he could be, and he has started well this season.

7 minutes ago, jameso said:

Hourihane was voted one of the league’s best midfielders by his League One peers so I do wonder if I’m missing something. He’s obviously got quality but keeps it to himself too much!

I don’t think Bird is considered one of the best at present, but he could be, and he has started well this season.

Hourihane doesn't control a game for all his CV he takes a half decent free kick but in general play he goes missing for long periods 

We don't need players going missing, we need players to get a grip and drive the team forward 

I said after the Stoke pre season match ,that we aren't as good as you all think and I was laughed at, I said that the midfield was non existant despite the fluky 3 nil win 

How a football manager  couldn't see we have no midfield baffles me. We are tiny. Derby are massively weaker than last season , a season that we struggled !! 

No replacement for McGoldrick and Knight is madness , and why do we always have cr*p defenders sign. who actually scouts these players 

Rosienor should of stayed imo His recuitment was far better than this clown 

On 08/08/2023 at 22:19, MackworthRamIsGod said:

I'd say so, what are other peoples thoughts?

Positive thoughts welcome.

I think sadly David Clowes made a mistake with Paul Warne, sadly I think Derby County is too bigger club for  him, wether we have money or not the club has always attracted decent  players with the right manager . I don't think Paul Warne has the ability to attract the right players and it looks like bigger clubs don't trust him to care for their loan players in the right way. I thought Osula was a prime example, he was raw but had something different that could make a difference but he hardly ever played him.

His tactics baffle me, most games are won in centre midfield, all preseason we looked like we had a big hole in the middle of the pitch, and I still don't think he has noticed how bad it is, also Hourahaine as Captain ' give over ' over rated has been, who can't control a game, is tasked with leading team 

3 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

I don’t like playing with a back 3 as you are giving license for a centre half not to do his job and yet again we are wide open to a long ball straight down the middle where our smallest centre half is back peddling against a on rushing forward.

we look ponderous in midfield and the pitch looks too big for some of our central defenders 

Forsyth is our stand out defender !  
we are missing Sibley who is our best attacking midfielder and Mendiz Lang who is our stand out attacking player with pace when played out wide where he can use it

Where's this guy who is the player recruitment employee, he ain't done much of a job yet 

I reckon unless we get some loans from the prem, a strong centre mid and a striker under the age of 30 we are a bottom 6 team. I could see from the Stoke pre season we were a poor team. Who got lucky on the day.  I would go as far as saying we need a complete new midfield  

19 minutes ago, valakari said:

Bielik!!!!

Quite frankly midfield is the issue from before pre season, not upfront 

We have a diddy midfield, if Hourahaine puts that palm dowm slow the game once more I'll scream, we want someone who will shake a fist and show a bit of muscle 

Why sell Knight if none of the money was to be invested in a replacement centre mid . Warne has only just started to mention we are light in centre midfield. What has he been watching for the last year ?

So that's one game lost as we went into the game unprepared in my opinion 

Last season we made a slow start which cost us a play off place. this season looks like the same , unexcusable into your second season 

I was shot down after the Stoke game when Stoke bossed the game., but people on here were clouded by the result, never seen such a one sided 3 nil loss  

28 minutes ago, DanS1992 said:

Same old, same old. Managers come and go. Players are bought and sold. Yet, our ability to gift the opposition goals remains. Just a constant loop. This seems to be the "Derby way".

29 minutes ago, DanS1992 said:

Same old, same old. Managers come and go. Players are bought and sold. Yet, our ability to gift the opposition goals remains. Just a constant loop. This seems to be the "Derby way".

I said before a ball kicked Midfield is lightweight games are won and lost in centre midfield 

that's the problem no centre midfield signings 

I think that this is a clear case of at the moment Derby are in a bad place as an attractive club to play for 

I don't know why, but we looks like we can't attract anyone on what we offer 

Just now, Animal is a Ram said:

Warne et al clearly think a lot of the kid. Look forward to seeing him develop.

For his age he's a well bulit lad. I thought he looked pretty raw the bits we saw on pre season, but has the potential to be a handy player. could be a good asset in the next couple of years 

4 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said:

From the other 23 teams in the league, who has the best squad with the best strikers who are going to get promotion in your opinion? 
 

To make bold statements like you do, you must know every team inside out. 

I have a feeling Bristol Rovers will be a surprise this season

49 minutes ago, Jayram said:

Irrespective of the arguments around budgets it is patently obvious that we need a younger quicker forward who can slot in and make things happen on the occasions when Warneball fails, as it will from time to time. If we do not find that type of player either via a transfer fee or loan then we are going to struggle to make a dent in the top six this coming season. None of us know what is happening on the recruitment front but it is concerning that we are 6 days away the start of the season without such an option in the squad. This should have been sorted much sooner than it has and that in my view reflects poorly on the club recruitment/coaching staff.

What I don't get is our budget 

I know we have been saved from going under , but now we are out of administration 

We've sold knight for 2 million our season ticket sales must be 20,000 plus (who else can compete with that ) so surely we must be in a better position than most others in this league on at least a wage budget, the players gone must have counter balanced most of the players in 

Just saying .....Warne said last season that he was looking at getting in players at their peak age, but were looking at Waghorn Rhodes Sharp mentioned . 

I personally think we are lighter than last season especially in the key areas of midfield and upfront , granted the defence is improved 

But I think midfield is the biggest weakness .. I wonder if we could tempt Jeff Hendrick back on loan I know he's not peak age but very expierienced ?? , just one big gamble just might give us the edge 

7 minutes ago, Rich3478 said:

Would say midfield as well is very one paced.

At last someone who actually watched the game 

7 minutes ago, Rich3478 said:

Would say midfield as well is very one paced.

Just now, hintonsboots said:

No but Hourihane was.

Thank you 😘

8 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Yes and he had a decent half. Were you watching the game?

First half ok No he didn't second passed him by 

2 minutes ago, jameso said:

Agreed a Premier League team would (or should) be more clinical than League 1, but we'd be lucky not to get punished by anyone for a pretty careless cross-field pass and then getting back to play the guy onside just as he's scoring! Not to be too harsh on Smith, who did most things well today.

Was Hourahain on the pitch second half

3 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

Alfie May went to Charlton for about a quarter of a million quid. 

If you've read Warnes recent comments then he said that size of fee would be all of his budget gone so like any good manager he's trying to optimise how it gets spent. 

You obviously have read this as quite correctly you've mentioned that Warne also said that there's no point in just getting bodies in for the sake of it unless they actually improve the squad. 

There's a separate thread on whether our budget is bigger this year than the previous year, I urge you to refer to it to save repetition and duplication of the same points. 

If £250k is our total budget spend, we really are set for League 1 for many years to come. All I'm saying, if we wasted wages on the likes of players like or similar to Rhodes and Waghorn it won't make a jot of difference to us getting out of this league , thats our budget spend over one season done , for what point 

25 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

I don't like the 'entitled' argument....

But a year out of nearly going bust...

We have strengthened the whole team except the strike-force.

Yet we still have James Collins, Connor Washington...plus Sibley, NML..

And have 2 more signings potentially to come - so Waghorn, Rhodes   ... they may not be exactly what we dreamed of but let's at least have some perspective. 

So there's no point in signing anyone, when they aren't any better than what we have, leave the money in the club. The signing of players in previous years who didn't make a difference and in many cases hardly played like Blackman for instance got the club in the mess of nearly going out of business 

I get the feeling on here any signing would be good choose who it was " just because we nearly went bust" We should know our place 

So I say we need to stop suggesting over the hill players and leave the squad alone , if thats where we are 

27 minutes ago, Donnyram said:

Should be an easy one to resolve….. example numbers only;

Rhodes on £8k per week salary 

Derby only able to pay £4k per week

Huddersfield pay Rhodes off at £4k per week saving £4k per week over the year 

Rhodes maintains £8k per week salary equivalent and has the chance to play football 

win win win 🤷‍♂️

Can't understand the Rhodes link , he's pretty much finished , can't play a full game anymore. 

I thought Alfie May would of been a better shout and prob command less wages  , proven goal scorer at this time and level of his career but thats history now.

I know we have big restraints granted , but surely our projected income is vastly bigger than all of League 1 

and for some to think Waghorn is a good shout really !!

1 hour ago, MACKWORTHRAM said:

Doesn't sound like they are waiting for a replacement then.

Possibly trying to come to an agreement with him to end his contract early.

Jordan Rhodes has scored 10 goals in the last two seasons 

been on the downward slide since 2017 just saying is this the future ?  He won't hit 25 goals to get you outta this league thats for sure 

1 hour ago, jono said:

There was too big a gap to Collins on a few occasions but remember Stoke are supposed to be a league above us. They didn’t look it today. We more than matched them. I thought Hourihan and Bird looked controlled, there was no sidey backwards. Thommo, while he didn’t get a lot of ball, was harrying constantly in the attacking half. I’d love to see a heat map because my overriding impression of that game was Derby were at least as good as Stoke in every department, except the final ball and finishing.  3-0 speaks volumes about that ! Stoke did have a period where they were front foot and we dropped too deep for my liking. Their number 9 got in dangerous positions a few too many times .. but Sonny boy snuffed him out. So what exactly are you saying ? We lost the midfield ? We didn’t. It was a battle, it wasn’t a cake walk but we held our own and I think were strong enough. If we weren’t we wouldn’t have created chances. When they came at us we blocked, headed and saved with solid confidence. 3-0 flattering ? Maybe, but how many times have we said “if only we were more clinical” today we were and they weren’t ! 

I think we will have to agree to disagree ... we did lose midfield , we did on numerous occasions fail to get out and gave it to the goalie to hoof it back to them on half way it was happening all game . the biggest culprit was Hourihane playing it back and sideways I would say they had 80% of the ball. if you all think that team in the first half will storm League One your all mad 

We missed Mcgoldrick and Knight haven't replaced them yet, but I do think we looked far stronger in defence than last season which is a positive 

2 hours ago, DiggerB said:

I was there. I thought Smith had a great first half. Harried and won the ball back, distributed it well and delivered the cross for Collo’s goal. So no, I don’t agree!

I somewhat agree  but the whole midfield doesn't look like its strong enough to control a game. hence the midfield played on the shoulders of the defence to keep a good Stoke side out, leaving a big gap to Collins. The only time we got out was through the wing backs. So i'm saying the midfield got pinned in most of the match. Which in the long run will be our downfall unless we strengthen

2 minutes ago, KBB said:

You seem to have ignored the previous 70 too

Sonny Bradley looked class Ward was very good also..Bird again had a good game but he needs help  to allow him to play . Thats my view and I think anyone who saw the game would agree 

1 minute ago, alram said:

they should look the better team, they are in the league above us, the fact is we won comfortably

 

i dont disagree that we still need to improve but stoke were not by far the better team today

They were better, if they could shoot straight it would of looked far different